“With the 2nd pick in the 2016 NBA Draft, the Los Angeles Lakers select Brandon Ingram, Forward, Duke University.”
While there are always smokescreens and attempts at misdirection in the lead up to the draft, the odds this is what we hear Commissioner Adam Silver say at the NBA Draft on June 23rd are high. The 76ers could always select Ingram themselves, but with Ben Simmons long considered the top prospect and Philly finally cashing in on their multi-year process with the top selection, it seems the LSU Forward would be hard to pass up.
The Lakers, then, are likely going to end up with Ingram. And I could not be happier about it.
Ingram, for the Lakers, represents a best of both worlds prospect. Not only is he supremely talented with a high upside and enough youth to make good on long-term projections of his ceiling, he also plays a position of need while offering a skill-set which is not only in-demand league wide, but on the Lakers’ as well.
There are things Ingram is not (at least not yet), but let’s focus first on what he already is. At 6’9″ with a 7’3″ wingspan and a 9’1.5″ standing reach, Ingram has physical tools unlike many players in the draft. The fact these tools come in a player who projects to be a small forward and offers perimeter skills of a pure wing only impress further. You then combine the guard skills with the shooting ability he flashed during his lone season in Durham and the picture starts to come together as to why Ingram is so highly touted.
He shot 41% on over 5 attempts from distance a game, but was ridiculous from the left side of the floor where he simply roasted teams. His work as a spot up shooter was excellent, but he also showed he could work in isolation, using a good handle and a variety of jabs and feints out of the triple threat to create the space he needed to get his shot off.
When he put the ball on the floor, he used a good handle, advanced footwork (including a nice spin move), a nice sense on how to use his frame, and a high release point to get this shot off from mid-range or in the paint. He even showed a nice understanding of how to operate as a ball handler in the pick and roll, getting himself into good positions to get his shot off or making the correct reads to hit his teammates.
Defensively, he wasn’t a stopper, but he again showed how his physical tools could impact the game. While he wasn’t a high blocks + steals player, his length meant he could challenge and alter shots when he was in the vicinity of his man. Similarly he could affect passing angles and be a disruption even if he wasn’t generating boxscore stats in the process. Even though wasn’t the most assertive defender, but he showed smarts and effort while using the tools he had available to be a net positive on that side of the ball.
Of course, there’s still room to grow both physically and with his skill set. Even with excellent size and length, Ingram lacks weight and ballast. He will compete against bigger and stronger players, but he simply doesn’t have the physical strength to anchor against players who have the ability to out-muscle him. He’s also not the best player at getting low and sliding vs. quickness, instead trying to leverage his length by playing off his man.
He’s also not a very explosive athlete. While he can show some burst and can be a “quick off the floor” at times, he’s not the type of quick-twitch athletic specimen who can simply impose himself on opponents. He’s not an overly impressive leaper, doesn’t have great speed, and, due to his lack of weight and strength, can’t just bull opponents. He offers a smoothness and fluidity that isn’t often seen in players his size — which is impressive in its own way — but that should not be mistaken for being a “special” athlete at this stage of his development. And there are real questions if he will ever really develop in that way.
If some of this sounds familiar, it’s because we were saying similar things about D’Angelo Russell last season heading into the draft. And some of those concerns bore out exactly as some thought they would in his rookie campaign.
With Ingram, I can easily see stronger, NBA level athletes pushing him off his spots offensively and, like boxers with a reach disadvantage, getting into his body defensively to neutralize some of his physical advantages. Ingram will need to work hard and learn quickly how to keep opponents at bay and play at the right speed and distance in order to maximize his effectiveness.
Like Russell, though, Ingram has shown to be somewhat of a late bloomer at every stage of his development. He really did not burst onto the scene as a high-schooler until his senior season and showed more of his heralded potential in the second half of Duke’s season. The good news is, as a player whose entire rookie season will be his age 19 year, he has a lot of time to learn and grow. How quickly he’s able to do that remains to be seen, but the combination of his age and what he’s already shown is why some project him to be the best player in this class.
There are no perfect prospects in this draft, Ingram included. We should get this out of the way now, not just to properly set expectations, but to better understand what the Lakers (and every other team) already do: the players have flaws, they are young, and while their ceilings are enormously high there is no guarantee they get there.
Brandon Ingram doesn’t need to be perfect, though. The Lakers, at this stage of their rebuilding, don’t need him to be. What they do need, though, is another high ceiling player who can grow with their already established core of Russell, Randle, Clarkson, and Nance. By also being able to play a desired style at a position of need, Ingram really would give the Lakers the best of both worlds.
Busboys4me says
Thanks Darius. I was up and wanted something good to read. The kid fits us. We really haven’t had too many supreme athletes. Wesley was our last but his talents didn’t really translate well.
I would still love to see a veteran at the 3 in the beginning for the rook to learn the ropes. Maybe his veteran will be Anthony Brown. I Still like Crabbe from Portland.
Question: Do you think we will try and resign Bass? He was excellent for our team as far as leadership and he was one of the few veterans. I really hope we keep him. Tarik Black is a great guy but he is woefully undersized and not athletic enough to be a Draymond Green type player.
John Citizen says
I think its true that the Lakers havent decided yet.
I have a feeling that the Lakers are thinking to trade down (with Phoenix or Boston maybe) and select one of the strong guards (Dunn or Heild or Murray) and a skilled Center/PF ( Skal or Thon)
Not because they dont like Ingram, but because they all are projects and you can have 2 for the price of one. Ingram will be great 5 years from now, but until then, he cant guard Lebron or KD, even 3 years from now, heck , he cant even guard the likes of Middleton and Snell.
If its up to me, i will try to swing for Dunn and Skal/Thon. Wont be upset if they go for Ingram.
KJS says
yeah for two role players with less ceiling.. if you have a chance to draft a player like Ingram or Simmons caliber you take it the risk. Those guys are the top guys in this draft compared to the rest of the draft. They are not considered projects because really Ingram’s weakness is his weakness which can be gained as he grows out and Simmons weakness is his shooting
Bryan says
I wanted Ingram till I heard him speak after the Lakers worked him out. Couldnt tell if he was stoned or slow.
I CALLED GAME says
What are you talking about his vibe he has a real modest vibe, guys that have a sleepy vibe to them are usually beast a what ever they do look at his game on the court
Anonymous says
T Mac looked sleepy. T Mac never sounded dumb as far as I Rev
I CALLED GAME says
Why would the Lakers wanna trade with Boston so they can draft the second best player in a weak draft or any other team for that matter with Luke now on place you can bet on who ever Luke says i want him thats who they take and Luke know that Ingram is a unique talent with his size, & length. Luke learned from GSW that building a team is putting fitting pieces together and what better piece then Ingram. The Lakers can use Lou Williams to get a decent Big, like theres no need to reach for a player when you have a pretty damn good one sitting waiting on you Ingram is 18, 6″9 a 7″3 a combination that doesn’t come along often especially at the position Ingram plays in a team setting Ingram will kill any prospect on the board just with the mix of Russell, Clarkson, Ingram, Randle there gonna give teams hell
Lakers Guru says
Yours is a one-sided argument John Citizen… While he may not be able to guard the players you cited right now – none of them will be able to guard him either…
He is an offensive machine- admittedly lacking in strength due his size, he has said ” he will immediately get into the gym to increase size & strength…
So, on offense he will pay immediate dividends as his defensive side will start paying off incrementally …
Cbread says
I agree with you John citizen I have been saying the same thing not that I wouldn’t like ingram, but if you can get 2 for the price of one take it, and one of those are dunn would be great, trade Russell and get a wing if were able to get Dunn
Comrade says
But giving away a Susan B. Anthony dollar coin and getting two quarters back isn’t a very good deal. You just have to hope that one of those quarters ends up being rare. I don’t think we should try to reinvent the wheel here. Unless a pretty good deal comes along, we should just take Ingram and fill other holes with the 60+ million in cap room through free agency.
Vasheed says
I like Ingram. I’ve always been of the mindset it is easier to throw a guy in the gym than it is to teach a guy skills. Ingram is a highly skilled bean pole.
The one thing I’d like to see work on this summer is just getting down into a defensive stance. At the moment he hunches over and keeps his legs straight. He would instantly improve his ability to stay in front of guys if he just learned to get down into a defensive stance.
Anonymous says
In reading the article and watching the Draft Express weakness/strengths videos it did make me somewhat skeptical of Ingram. He will definitely have his struggles until he learns to use his body.
It’s a tough sell for me, to give up 1 of our 4 core guys (Russ, Randle, Clarkson, Nance) for any player/pick package. Mainly because it shakes up the rebuild and chemistry in the locker room. Also, these guys have already gone through the rigors of an NBA season and they’re learning what it takes and the necessary improvements.
*** I think it would be so cool if in 4-5 years the “rivalry” between Ingram and Simmons turns into the type KD and LBJ had (3 years ago?) in being the stars of the NBA.
I CALLED GAME says
Like skinny only matters in football the best players are usually skinny when they get to the NBA unlike Ben Simmons who has already maxed out at 19, Ingram body still has room for growth
George Best says
Dont over think it. Ingram or Simmons were the reasons we tanked. Take the one that falls to you and continue to rebuild the team. It will be another 3 years before we are good unless we sign some big name FAs so get the young talent and watch him hit 6 ft 11 and he isnt that far from being a Durant clone. Patience.
Anonymous says
This!!!!
Baylor Fan says
Ingram looks like the perfect young player for the “new look” Lakers. He comes in with a polished outside shot and great height and length for a wing. The training staff (another new look department) can help him work on his body. The coaching staff can help him work on his defensive shortcomings; those are skills he can learn and practice. I presume he can also learn to shoot more effectively from the right side of the court. Maybe Obi Wan Kobe can come back and help him with his footwork. Overall, Ingram is the kind of project player the Lakers need to build a competitive team over the next few years.
matt says
On his weaknesses it looks like he hasn’t grown fully yet, not yet comfortable in his body cuz he’s still growing, only thing i saw was his inability to create space on his pull up jumper, but when watching the strengths all i could think of was reggie miller with handles, and the fact that he can guard every perimeter player. This guys shooting percentage is 50% from the left side, crazy. His shooting mechanics look fantastic. Most of the weaknesses shown were likely at the beginning of the season, because he didn’t play like that toward the end when the coach corrected it. This guy is something to get excited about. Maybe a better prospect then Wiggins was.
matt says
Actually ingram style fits right in with what luke walton would bring in coaching, space through ball movement. Should be a good fit.
BigCitySid says
– I see the camps are starting to form. No matter who the Lakers choose. Looking forward to the never ending beefing over personel, s/b fun.
matt says
I looked up clarkson and russell shot charts
Clarkson’s best shooting from 3pt range is the right side 48.6%
Russell’s best shooting from 3pt range is the middle 42.6%
And above shows ingram best shooting from 3pt range is left side 53%
Looks like a great fit
Busboys4me says
Great job Matt!!!
Curtis says
Don’t trade the #2 pick and take whomever falls to us — likely Ingram. He fills the Three for the next 10+ years.
What is intriguing is that the Lakers worked out Skal Labissiere ( a young LaMarcus Aldridge). (edited for trade speculation)
As an aside: Harrison Barnes is laying an egg in the playoffs. His performance last night, when his team needed him to step up, was horrible. He is a fourth or fifth option not able to be a 1st or 2nd. Stay away from him in free agency.
smokedaddy says
Here we have a 19 yo with the body, the tools, and most importantly, is a team guy with the eye of the tiger necessary to fulfill the projections into a perennial all star caliber. To me, there’s no question we snap this kid up and live with the 5-10 fewer wins we may have vs having a veteran in his spot next year. This kid is hungry to get better and needs to be learning with his young teammates playing against elite NBA players 30 minutes/game while he gets stronger and better. Not only that, as Darius points out, the kid is a great fit with the current roster. What we really need to think through is the possibility that Philly takes Ingram and leaves us with Simmons. Then we have the potential of a Magic Johnson/Lebron like player but with real concerns on his defense and character and fit and the potential to be a big disapppointment. In that case, if Chicago or Indiana is willing to trade Butler or George for the pick then yes lets do it.
Anon#1 says
I don’t understand the fascination with Jimmy Butler. He has missed an average of 17 games a year for the past three seasons. I don’t see him becoming less injury prone as he gets older. Why trade a top pick for someone who will miss 20% of your games (or more) every year?
In three years Butler’s production will start to fall and that’s when Simmon’s will start to rise. Yes, I prefer Ingram but won’t turn down Simmons. Trading the #2 pick is a bad deal. If the Lakers were ready to win now then pull the trigger on an older vet. But Butler adds 5 wins to this team and we’ll still finish out of the playoff hunt. Lipstick on a pig.
Busboys4me says
I agree wholeheartedly. I’ve been saying the same thing for two years. Reminds me of Jim Edmonds in baseball. A great player when he’s on the field, but his all out play kept him sidelined. Chicago has several of those types. No trades with them.
Curtis says
I saw my post above was edited. The point I was making is that Skal would be taken with an additional draft pick should the Lakers obtain one.
Travis Y. says
For everyone who wants to win now…wake up. There’s a zero percent chance for this to happen.
Ok, 1 percent since KD and Lebron could come here.
This is Curry’s 7th year with the team and it took about 4 years for him to start “getting it.”
So if it takes 4-5 years for our core to grow, guess what? That is par for the course!
Be patient and appreciate the development of a winning culture, ball movement, and team defense.
Let’s take Ingram and grow the core. Just because it’s the most obvious choice doesn’t make it the wrong one.
Nik Kannan says
The dont overthink it folks are funny to me… This pick as well as our entire roster has to be over thought, picked through, and explored for every and any possible adjustment to win a championship.
Hate to break it to all – the let’s ride with a bunch of rookie and second year guy folks – but we will have to be wiling to toil and tweak the roster later anyhow.
The point is to win the championship.
I enjoyed the process of watching Kobe grow … It was fun, and as zen puts it … The journey not the destination… But to heck with that … Look at it this way … Ron Harper, Robert Horry, Brian Shaw, Rick Fox, Horace grant, Ac Green… Those are the glue guys that helped Kobe Shaq..
We need at least two superstars & a bunch of great role player to put us in contention… I don’t think putting a bunch or rookies together and having them run around the court “trying to figure it out” is going to put a 17th banner up.
Not saying I don’t want Ingram … But those that don’t want to look at all options are just not remembering what our goals are and what it took to get there..
Clay Bertrand says
Nik, in response to your post in general, no disrespect but it just makes me think of the saying, “THAT WAS THEN. THIS IS NOWWWWW.” New CBA. New NBA. Its a new game and we have to adapt to how teams are developed these days.
I have posted this link before and I’m sure many have already seen this SI piece on Ingram. I had previously stated IMO that it is the definitive all in one article arguing/positing, (rather compellingly) that Ingram should be the number 1 pick this year.
Darius has illustrated one of the shooting charts for Ingram also highlighted in the piece.
Special Highlights:
1.) his playing PG in high school and being 6’1″ as a Freshman only to become 6’9″ (w 6’1″ handles) indicates great skill for his size
2.) His relative youth in the draft class and compared to other players in other drafts– he is really almost like a high schooler who should be going into his collegiate freshman year–indicates he is clearly still growing physically and his skills are still being maintained even at ELITE size for his positions (2-4).
3.) He scored at a higher clip going left than Simmons who is LEFT HANDED.
4.) He scored at a more efficient rate than admitted unfair NBA comparison Kevin Durant in isolation situations in college.
5.) His greatest singular weakness is….STRENGTH—totally understandable due to his youth and body type but he will certainly mature eventually and with professional training and diet, is this really considered a legitimate “WEAKNESS” all things considered??
6.) His dad is a playground legendish shooter in Kingston N.C. where they breed GUNNERS and his mentor is Jerry Stackhouse.
http://www.si.com/longform/brandon-ingram-2016-nba-draft
Give it a look. Decent doses of stats are used to illustrate Ingram’s game rather convincingly IMO.
Key Quote though from Coach K says something like, “He’s not the best but he is extremely unique….” (paraphrased) indicating his upside as he fills into his body frame and continues to grow and improve is still a very intriguing work in progress.
If he can be taught quickly to adopt a professional work ethic and continue to work on his game, he has BOO-KOOO Upside!!!!!
I say take Ingram at two. No Trading DOWN. This ain’t the NFL!!!!! : ) No trades. No silly OVERTHOUGHT oddball picks. No BS!!!!!! If we don’t pick Ingram or Simmons, then we got issues!!!!
Again, I HIGHLY recommend the above linked SI piece. Especially for doubters…….
Chibi says
an anonymous scout or gm said Ingram could be a great shooting guard.
CS says
Darius, I would love to see a post on which center you think the Lakers should target in FA. It seems everyone is focused on Whiteside, but I have my concerns about his maturity/fit with the young core. Who else do you think might be a good, or better, pick up? What about Horford?
Marlon Blodgett says
Dont get cute, front office, Ingram is our future All Star that we have been paying our dues for, I repeat , do not screw this up.Take Ingram and hit a tator with the 32nd, then spend your dough very wisely without screwing up these kids heads and let these seads grow into giant redwoods. 95% of worry is false worry.Build Now-Tinker Later, We will be selling out the sports bars sooner than you think
changes says
The Lakers are on record saying no trade of the #2 due to the high value of the pick and the high return expected. So lets all agree they keep the pick.
The Lakers are on record saying the front court needs help and the draft offers two top of their class front court players who can play multiple positions as they mature.
Those two being Simmons or Ingram.
It will be one or the other.
Anon#1 says
What about Horford?
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Horford is 30. He’s missed two of the last 5 seasons due to injury. His production is falling, averaging 15 pts and 7 rebs a game last year. Plus, he’d want a max deal starting at $25 mill. and escalating from there. I’m not OK paying him $30+ million a year as a 33 and 34 year old. Pass.
rubenowski says
That SI piece is what won me over to Ingram a few weeks back. I totally agree that his weakness can be easily fixable. He should be at least 205 (ideally 210) by the time the season starts or hey, maybe even by summer league! Can’t wait to see him in the olympic select team and in summer league.
According to the SI piece he learns better from older guys who take him seriously and go hard at him. I think he would have responded better to Kobe than Russell did. I hope we can get a good vet to go hard at him in practice.
His humility and work ethic will take him far. I can totally see him as the leader of this team.
ROY.
Brandon Johnson says
Wow! Glad to see I’m not the only one who loved that SI article. I’m praying philly takes Simmons cause Ingram just seems like he’ll develop so much more in the nba. As Darius said if u look at the Draft Express scouting report (btw I also noticed this) his weakness are so similar to d’angelo it’s not even funny. I just feel like d’angelo will be a superstar and Ingram will be an all star and who knows with his work ethic and skills he could also become a superstar.
matt says
Clay,, good stuff
Couldn’t open link
Nik Kannan says
Clay – no offense taken .. That is what the blog chat is for… For fans to express ideas and talk about the best path forward for our team. It is simple we all want what’s best for our Lakers winning and exciting basketball… Lakers Dominance !!
I never said we shouldn’t draft Ingram or that I don’t think he will be a special player.
My commentary is simply we have to keep the goals of team in mind – not be so ideological that we forget we are after throphies and to be highly competitive year in year out – of course having a young core that can grow together helps as well… But be realistic – none of these guys enter into their prime until 24-31 which in most case is 5 to 6 years away.
Suppose we see the fruits of Ingram and Russell become superstars in the league and a formitable tandem … It will be veterans and good leadership that get them there …
Three examples Carmelo, Dwight, and Cousins.
All of which were or are supreme talents in the league – all lack the ability to be mentored properly cause they had bad veteran leadership or no leadership in there youth…
It takes balance and we need to remember that they kids have to turn into professionals it doesn’t happen automatically no matter how gifted or what coach K says about u.
I think Kobe and Metta soda great job. Have b shaw and Luke is great… We can’t forget to have veterans around… Look at what KG did for Towns and seems what tayshaun / kg did for Wiggins.
That is my point – draft Ingram .. Great .. Don’t forget about our goals.. Championships, always look to improve our roster.. Draft trades and free agency as well as coaching and mentors… , don’t forget veterans are incredibly important and even tho sometime not as exciting as the young kids really help get the young exciting kids to start winning in the association.
matt says
Clay,, i was able to open article, thanks good read
LT Mitchell says
— If the Lakers fail to land Whiteside, I would be open to signing an injury prone vet like Horford or Noah on short term deals…..a two year deal, or a three year deal with a team option for the third. Youth is good for now but this team also needs some veteran leaders. Someone like Noah would be a great influence on the young players.
— Keeping the pick is a no brainer, but when the owner is on a one year deadline to keep his job, anything can happen.
david h says
darius; three things:
quick release
decisive
not afraid to take the ball into traffic.
problem: we keep talking ingram up and sixers swoop in for the steal.
otherwise, go lakers
KevTheBold says
I’m all in for Ingram, over anyone, including Simmons, as in my opinion Simmons is questionable in the area of assertiveness and killer instinct.
Being Australian, he lacks that American hard core inner desire to force your will on a game.
Ingram would also fit perfectly with our current team allowing them to grow as a cohesive unit without the compromises and adjustments that other players would require, especially Simmons.
I’m also not concerned about his strength, as growing up a thin person myself, I found out early that strength is in majority, inherited.
I surprised many much heavier opponents in street fighting, martial arts, basketball, wrestling, and even football.
As for Heild: he is a great scorer and I could understand the urge use him to fill Kobe’s vacancy, yet at his age, his upside is more shallow, and a proof we only need look at how very rare it is, that a four year college player becomes an nba star.
All the rest down the line, are inferior to Ingram and we would be silly imo to pass him, for a gamble.
Regarding trades,… please no !
Let’s not trade our future for another team’s past failures.
rr says
Being Australian, he lacks that American hard core inner desire to force your will on a game.
==
Uhhh…wow.
Anonymous says
He’s right…
A Horse with no name says
“I surprised opponents in street fighting…” Let’s meet in Temecula and see whose leaner and meaner. . . .
A Horse with no name says
Uhhh…wow.
Right? Somebody musta spiked his Wheaties….
Anonymous says
I been salivating about Ingram for months, so not a lot to add about that. But about the Lakers trading down in the Draft. That would be the stupidest dumbest thing the FO could do and im 100% sure the entire fanbase would be up in arms. The Lakers know they are not in the position to try to get cute. In my opinion Ingram is better than Simmons. I been saying it for months and months now. But, if we get Simmons i be perfectly fine with one or the other. But i have my preference.
Chearn says
Philadelphia has Embiid, Okafor, and Noel so why wouldn’t they draft a pure shooter in Ingram? I guess Philadelphia’s management and fan base aren’t cognizant of the fact that shooters represent the future NBA.
Philadelphia will draft Ingram and play him as a 3.
Fern says
That was me in the 4:33 comment. Had to restore my phone and didn’t realize i have to put my name and e-mail back lol. Really likely scenario Chearn. Wouldn’t surprise me at all would be a bummer too. But i think they wont let Simmons pass, they can trade Noel.
rr says
Chearn,
I expect that the Colangelos will deal 1 or 2 of those young big guys, and the 76ers need playmaking as well as shooting (and more or less everything else). I think the idea is that Simmons can be a playmaking 4 in today’s game…sort of like Anthony Mason sometimes was for the Riley Knicks BITD.
And, there are always narratives and optics. If the 76ers let Simmons fall to the Lakers and he becomes Magic Johnson-lite…well, that would look bad. I think the switch from Hinkie to the Colangelos will mean, among other things, that Philadelphia starts doing things more conventionally.
I like Ingram and will be fine with the Lakers getting him. But if the 76ers do take Ingram, then I hope that the Lakers FO goes with Simmons.
Drew Gordon says
Hey, fellow Laker fans. Long time reader but this is my first time posting. Just wanted to post a link regarding Ingram’s leaping ability. While it is probably true that he struggles with explosiveness in traffic (due mainly to his thin frame and lack of strength currently), dude can touch the sky. Just click the Vine near the top of the article and enjoy. Yes, that’s top of backboard and beyond stuff there.
I guess it would help if I actually included said link. Sorry Darius! Here you go.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/9/29/9419509/duke-phenom-brandon-ingram-can-damn-near-palm-the-top-of-the-backboard
bluehill says
Really like Ingram and think he’s a much better fit with the GSW-style offense Luke will likely implement here and the pieces we have. Seems like Ingram would be a better fit for Philly too, but there are rumors that they are open to moving Okafor and/or Noel. I’m sure there’s a lot of posturing going on, so who knows what will happen.
As for bigs, this is an interesting article talking about the changing role for big men. In short – “Bigs won’t necessarily go extinct, but fewer centers are playing heavy minutes in the playoffs because of the emphasis placed on spacing and shooting. More small-ball lineups are being used. Versatility is now more important than size.”
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/6/13/11916952/jakob-poeltl-big-men-nba-draft-2016
AusPhil says
KevTheBold – I don’t even know where to start with your analysis of Simmons lacking assertiveness due to being Australian not American. Really? I find that an odd opinion to hold (and full disclosure, the “Aus” in my name is for Australia, so I suppose I have a vested interest!).
On the 2 players, either is a win, but fit-wise I like Ingram more. The shooting and the fit at the 3 are just too tempting. But if it’s Simmons, I won’t be shedding any tears.
AusPhil says
Apologies if there end up being multiple similar comments from me. I click post, the page reloads, and nothing has been posted. Not even the “in moderation” post.
Fern says
“Being Australian, he lacks that American hard core inner desire to force your will on a game.” WTF, really?
Fern says
Nice link Drew welcome!!!
Chearn says
rr
“I expect that the Colangelos will deal 1 or 2 of those young big guys, and the 76ers need playmaking as well as shooting (and more or less everything else).”
I believe 76er management will move one of the three when assured that one of them remains healthy for 82 games, and shows signs of improvement on the skills proposed during exit interviews. Until then, I believe they’ll hold on to all three and attempt a trade for positional needs or extracting assets from teams willing to buy high. Particularly, if the Cavs win the championship and move the NBA archetype back to a more traditional basketball paradigm: Because that’s exactly what will happen to the copycat NBA if the Warriors lose.
KevTheBold says
AusPhil,
No offense meant.
This may be simply my personal opinion, but is seems to me that inner city Americans, due to a unique and long history of hardships, have tempered within, certain strengths, thereby tend to dominate basketball, and many other sports.
As for Simmons, his penchant for passing over shooting, is not the stuff I would say renders him ‘take over a game’ material.
Not that I wouldn’t welcome him to LA, as I do understand that he is a rare talent.
No, it’s not his talent I have a questions with,..it’s his fire.
I do wonder where Simmons would fit on our team, as we already have a talented passer in D’Angelo, who by the way is also a talented scorer who has a desire to take over games.
Drew Gordon says
Thank you Fern! I actually quite enjoy reading your thoughts on here. I am actually really high on Ingram. As Clay mentioned, and he seems to have a pretty extensive hoops acumen, Ingram is really young–14 months younger than Simmons. And while he will never have Simmons lateral quickness or burst in the open floor, Ingram pretty clearly possesses far superior vertical athleticism. Plus, I’m banking that Luke can teach him to leverage his extreme outlier wingspan.
He just comes across as a complete basketball player. The similarities to Russell are actually quite striking. Extremely smooth and fluid, elite plus length for respective positions, high bball IQ, apparent great work ethic, can play on or off ball. sneaky athleticism (Russell has a 39 in max vert while Ingram’s hasn’t been listed–but again, he can go over the top of the backboard, which is 13 feet, on his max vert). The only downside that jumps out is lack of NBA body. Russell was still carrying a decent amount of baby fat last year. And obviously Ingram will need to go on a big boy diet.
I just think once these guys get their bodies up to snuff, they are going to be absolute monsters. Especially when paired together (fingers crossed). And again with elite length leveraged correctly at the 1 and 3 you have the makings of a productive team defense assuming fundamentals are learned and a non Byron defensive scheme is implemented (I think Russell can surprise some folks defensively by using his size, high IQ, and quick hands). I think the next step is clearly adding a modern 5 that can finish at the rim on the P&R and also rim protect. Hassan Whiteside has to be the target. He also has a 7’7″ wingspan. Whether we can get him or not, I don’t really know. I do question how fluidly he can step out and defend the P&R. But clearly he gives D’Angelo his lob target and he gives Randle his much needed back line rim protection.
matt says
Nik canaan, from above,
We don’t know which youngster will be a superstar yet. So we gotta wait.
Busboys4me says
Clay Bertrand – Thank you for the article!!!
The weaknesses section above had me downright scared of Ingram, but the SI article brought me back to my senses. The kid fits our team!! From his left side of the court shooting preference to his position being that of need. I don’t believe Philly will draft him because they have too many young players and they have not improved as a team in years. Simmons is a more NBA ready player. They lack a play maker and Simmons fits that bill. If they draft Ingram, they would still need a distributing point guard. We will get him, add veterans that we need, and be competitive for the first time in years before too long
Mortimer we’re back!!!
matt says
As for simmons. Lebron isn’t the best shooter and he scores plenty, 76ers with simmons likely will soon run the east
LKK says
Kev… Enough with the stereotypes. Really?
Clay Bertrand says
AusPhil, your post in taking the high road was classy and illustrative of Aussies as good dudes.
Aussies are some of the most interesting people you’ll ever meet. In my experience, they are wiser than most because they have this cultural drive to travel and see the world. Maybe because their continent is so relatively detached from the rest of the world. I’ve met multiple Aussies that take a whole year off just to check out the States or go to Europe or SE Asia etc. I have run into them EN MASSE in Indonesia on surf trips. HEAPS OF FUN!!!!
I’ll party with OZ Natives ANY time!!!!
PS: I know Kev didn’t mean any offense with what he said AusPhil. Please do not attempt to pick a street fight with him. ; )
KevTheBold says
Clay, agreed, I love Aussies, having traveled there many times.
The friendliest people I have ever known, and Perth was paradise to me. Some of the best football, rugby, and surfers on the planet.
Nba however, is dominated by socioeconomically disadvantaged Americans, in majority.
Though it may change one day, today it’s a fact.
KevTheBold says
– LKK
Kev… Enough with the stereotypes. Really?”
Stereotypes?
No, simply percentages, and firmly note that I never used race as a factor.
NBA 74%
NFL 68%
What is your explanation?
KevTheBold says
Matt, possibly the 76ers may soon run the east, yet I don’t compare Simmons to Lebron, and Lebron does too shoot,.. and very well.
Marlon Blodgett says
I agree with a dude erlier talking about veteren leadership and i add that pros with good heads are a big asset in the locker room. So, instead of using all our dough on max contracts, start with one really good fit, preferably at the five(Whiteside-Horford-Then if its not there move to a lower level and try to sign multiple studs(Bazemore-Batum-Mozgov-Anderson-Ezeili) Derozan is a good fit here at SF orSG to blend Ingram into the rotation. Just hope Mitch doesn’t keep going after max guys and we loose out on the five plan Bs that help us in the win column, Also used to love Nick, he actually has alot of fire in the belly, but he isn’t the solid pro influence we need, We need to make High level Pros-stretch him and use his salary for Bass or Black or Both.
R says
Kev – I’d submit that neither MJ nor Kobe fit the “inner city hardship” profile you are touting, yet I for one am somewhat reluctant to dismiss their careers out of hand.
KevTheBold says
Yes, but the culture was there.
LKK says
Kev…
“This may be simply my personal opinion, but is seems to me that inner city Americans, due to a unique and long history of hardships, have tempered within, certain strengths, thereby tend to dominate basketball, and many other sports.”
You didn’t have to mention race per se… Who did you mean by “inner city Americans”?
I’m done with responding to you. It’s your world.
KevTheBold says
The myth of race has nothing to do with it.
I thought it was clear enough.
It’s experience and culture.
You want to dirty the water, that’s your game, not mine.
Anonymous says
Kev — just stop.
AusPhil says
Drew Gordon – Agreed on all those points. It’s really fingers crossed that these things can happen (in the draft and then in free agency), because the fits seem really good, and it could be a lot of fun to watch next season.
Lakers Guru says
Busboys4me !!!!
I agree with you…. Indeed “we’re back”….
Kudos to Jim Buss, as he & Mitch orchestrated it all in fine fashion by:
1)… Paying Kobe a sum that he couldn’t refuse to embarrass himself & tarnish his image during that farewell tour…
2)… Paying Byron to stand in and take the abuse that fans & foe alike heaped upon him for running such a foul & tragic season…
3)… Hitting the lottery & selecting some of the best talent available…
4)… Resisting trades, as he built his new team….
5)… Amassing the necessary cap space to bring in a few vets & an anchor at the FIVE, or to select best BIG avail in the 2nd round….
6)… Finally putting together one of the finest coaching staffs possible.. One that can grow & mature as the talent do likewise…
And the way he did it, he managed to keep his fan base happy & hopeful….
I think he did a splendid JOB & should give himself a few more years to enjoy the fruits of his labor
Renato Afonso says
Ingram fits better but either one of them is a great pick. One can only hope that the FO doesn’t overthink it and just selects the one left on board.
Warren Wee Lim says
Texas, if your proposal went through, I would just go back to watching Philippine Basketball.
Warren Wee Lim says
Brandon Ingram and the LA Lakers are a match made in Heaven. While most would choose Simmons over Ingram (apparently 2 out of 3 would), I would be picking Ingram #1 overall. Granted his frame is too thin, he has the ability to grow bigger.
And if I am Luke, I would be starting Ingram at the 2.
Kareeme says
KevTheBold,
Take a moment and reflect. I feel that you’re wrapped up in being right and not in what is factual or fair. First off, you say that basketball culture isn’t about race, but then point to the high percentage of Blacks in the NBA and NFL, thereby suggesting that Black athletes are from an inner-city culture. This notion that Black athletes are poor is not only a crass generalization, it is also factually inaccurate, according to a 2013 study:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/opinion/sunday/in-the-nba-zip-code-matters.html?_r=0
“Growing up in a wealthier neighborhood is a major, positive predictor of reaching the N.B.A. for both black and white men. Is this driven by sons of N.B.A. players like the Warriors’ brilliant Stephen Curry? Nope. Take them out and the result is similar.”
Recognize, apologize, and move on. Whether or not you meant to say something racially insensitive, you did. Your statement is based on stereotyping and racialized narratives of Black realities. It’s okay to be wrong. Just apologize and gracefully move on.
Everyone stop jumping to say how great Australians are as a people. Again, resorting to stereotypes is just wrong, even stereotypes that are meant to be positive. Because usually what that type of statement means is that white Australians are great. Most people don’t meet indigenous Aussies or Muslim immigrant citizens or the poor who can’t afford to travel the world. There are also jerks everywhere. Heaping on more stereotypes on top of stereotypes doesn’t solve the problem of poor generalizations.
I’m sorry Darius, I know there’s a rule to not talking about politics, but people are saying some pretty outrageous stuff on this thread. I hope that if you feel compelled to delete this, that you delete the rest.
Marlon Blodgett says
Was taking a look at workout videos this morning and mock drafts.( Zhou qi has arms that can fit inside my plastic water bottle but he moves with a superior coordination and agility that is scary for a guy that tall,HE JUST KEEPS RAINING 3S the ball is hitting the exact center of the net,Absolutely a must see workout video. I wonder if this kid is a machine that was forced to practice 8hrs a day or if he loves the game?( Diamond Stone coming to us on another mock and looks like a stud, bulldog with all the skills we want .(Stephen Zimmerman looks like a better ryan kelly, more atheletic and desire to mix it up inside with above the rim instincts and a better shooter.(AJ Hammons has the size,skills,maturity,but needs to stay away from big carl’s and chocolate chip cookie dough, might be a much better Robert Upshaw with actual pro quality and desire.(Thon Maker? I’d take him,But i think he’s going early, all these guys at 32 can help us a ton
Texas says
Warren wee lim
Thanks for reading my thought process. I guess there was no outside shooting from the 4 or the 5 and in the modern nba that’s a problem. I’m just nervous that Ingram isn’t a good enough athlete imo. I know he is long but speed is a huge factor in the nba. Maybe we can get a jimmy butler cause we can’t keep adding youngsters to the roster.
For some reason my post was deleted from earlier so I’m adding it again
Do you think philly would trade okafor and Noel for our number #2 maybe throw in nance, randel, OR Williams.
Then go after whiteside and bazemore and Save the rest of the money for next year or hope durant would come after lakers were able to secure these players.
Russel/Williams
Clarkson/bazemore
Durant/bazemore/brown
Okafor/nance
Whiteside/Noel
I really believe this lineup could win some games. Lakers could even sign a different sf in place of Durant and it would still be a great team. Till what y’all think?
smokedaddy says
Texas, “Do you think Philly would AND Noel for #2 plus nance,randle,Williams?”. Maybe so, but that puts us where Philly is now with no shootertalent s at the wings and a logjam in the middle. Maybe Noel or Okafor for Randle? Don’t give away the #2, at least if its Ingram. He will be special and is exactly what we need.
Anonymous says
I’m watching Ingram do an interview on Russillo and Kanell on ESPN right now, and I really like his demeanor for a 19 year old kid in his position. He seems smart, which is no surprise for a Duke player. His ego seems firmly in check. He speaks with purpose and intelligence. I don’t know about his talent – I’ll leave that to others – but a very basic first impression says he’s the kind of person I’d like to have on the Lakers.
Texas says
Smokedaddy
Like ur name I should have used smokey but any was. If you would have said our 4 and 5 can’t shoot I would go along but the wing position can be fixed in free agency this year or next. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
And I think they would do that trade because they are the 76ers and it is some what fair for both sides. I just don’t think Ingram can put up the numbers that okafor does and will continue to improve plus the defense would be covered up by whiteside and Noel.
Texas says
With that line up teams would have a hard time matching up but just worried about 4/5 non shooting.
bleedpurplegold says
Ingram at start of collage season: ~160pds
Ingram right now: ~195pds
Ingram at start of nba season: ~210pds
Now that is some serious work ethic…
KevTheBold says
In response to: Kareeme June 15, 2016 at 8:40 am –
Excuse me as well Darius, however I must reply or my name will unfairly smudged.
Kareeme,
You are taking up the roads somewhere in the middle, totally bypassing the start of those roads.
I’m not some outsider looking in, and I know my history.
First of all you are ignoring that I specified a – Culture – which was born out of 400 years of hardships that are unique in human history; and solidified in inner cities before spreading out again.
Therefore your statement about the income of blacks is out of left field when you consider the history of their grand parents and parents; the stems of the culture.
2nd regarding Australians, being in Navy at the time, we were never treated so very well by another country, no matter our skin color we were welcomed, given free cab rides, free meals in restaurants and treated with the of utmost kindness and respect.
I can’t tell you how many Americans of African descent considered jumping ship and staying there, but there were many who did, and were living a good life.
Why? Because the USA protected them with our lives in WW2, and they never forgot it.
Yes, I met the Aboriginals, and Maoris,. the east Asians, the East Indians, and they were the same with regards to kindness.
So please, stop with the assumptions, and one eye looks before you respond to a post, it only makes for unnecessary disputes over nothing.
Vasheed says
Texas, trade discussion is banned on this forum unless it is confirmed in the news (not rumors) or the moderators explicitly say we can. You can however, discuss free agents.
Clay Bertrand says
bleedpurpleandgold,
“Ingram at start of collage season: ~160pds
Ingram right now: ~195pds
Ingram at start of nba season: ~210pds
Now that is some serious work ethic…”
Now that is some serious IN-N-OUT time!!!! ; ) Brandon needs CALI BURGER BULK not Philly CheeseSteak!!!
Everything fed to that kid should have GRAVY on it!!!!!!!!!!! Even Pop Tarts!!!!!
KevTheBold says
Regarding Ingram’s weight.
I hope he’s being smart with his eating, as I recently read an article regarding heart disease in NBA players.
Texas says
Vasheed
This is why I don’t have Twitter Facebook or any other b.s. Social media. People have freedom of speech that is given to us by God but for some reason people like to restrict speech. I just don’t understand. If you don’t like what I wrote don’t read it. I don’t read a whole bunch of post cause I’m not interested in it. I like this site because it allows me to post without having to have social media. But if I can’t write material that is for sure not offensive then I will never click on this site again. I will keep posting and if my post get taken down for trade talk then I will make sure all of my laker friends won’t visit this site. The info here is not that special. Sorry.
Darius Soriano says
Texas,
These are the site’s commenting guidelines. If you don’t like them, you are welcome to leave. I won’t miss you. It’s not like your comments are that special either. Haha.
Texas says
Never claimed they were barely ever comment I just think it is pretty sad that people care so little about our rights. I am a believer that private business should be able to not provide services as long as they aren’t based on discrimination. So I will respect your rules but I really believe it is a mistake to curtail imagination just because you don’t agree. I guess you probably will delete this post to. I hope you change your mind and my post aren’t deleted.
david h says
darius: and we thought this was your nap time…….zzzzzz
pretty funny stuff as usual.
warriors in six? sunday nite at oracle seems more likely and for sure must see tv.
would be nice to send luke off with a parade across the bay bridge. we will welcome him on the other side regardless.
Go lakers
Darius Soriano says
Texas,
This has nothing to do with free speech. No one is stopping you from posting unfounded Lakers’ trade speculation somewhere else in the world. There are multiple places you can do this and I coudln’t care less about it. This site, however, is not one of those places. I have found that trade speculation is one of the true drags on discussion on this site. People argue over hypotheticals and things always turn ridiculous. So, I choose to not allow that here. You can respect that or not, but if you do not, I will moderate the comments as is my right as the owner of this site.
Anonymous says
Kev and Texas have ruined an otherwise solid thread.
Texas says
Wow sorry for not writing stuff u want to read about. Crazy
KevTheBold says
Anonymous June 15, 2016 at 4:04 pm
Kev and Texas have ruined an otherwise solid thread.”
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In my opinion, anonymous posters who take pot shots while hiding behind fences, ruin the experience more than anything.
If you can’t muster the courage to speak to someone name to name, at least have the decency to keep it to yourself.
AusPhil says
ESPN reporting that Simmons is not working out for Philadelphia. So is he trying to “force” his way to LA? Will this influence the 76ers and push them towards Ingram? Or is Simmons so confident about being #1 he’s just not going to Philly until they draft him?
Texas says
kevthebold
I’m not saying I agree with you or disagree with you about the stereotypes but you’re right on because everybody should have the right to say what they want to who they want just as long as there is no discrimination when it comes to jobs and housing or anything like that. And if people start banning speech and what people can say and not say when it comes to sports just think about all the information that is so important that people don’t discuss just because they’re afraid of what people might say and this is what America is coming today. Just because people don’t want their feelings hurt or they don’t agree with it people have to grow up and learn that there’s other ideas other thoughts and just because you don’t agree with it or it hurts your feelings it’s OK life will go on and you’ll forget about it and if you don’t go find a shrink and get help thanks from Texas
Texas says
Ausphil
I don’t think that the 76ers would let him slip past man I hope that Ingram gets to us he’s just a better fit for some reason we do get Simmons we’re going to trade Randall because they are too much alike and having a high lottery pick like Randall that is a double double machine will be very very nic because they are too much alike and having a high lottery pick like Randall that is a double double machine will be A decent pawn to trade for players that are veterans. He might also be used in a sign and trade deal to acquire a better piece
Texas says
Did not mean to misspell ur name Kareeme. Sorry.
KevTheBold says
AusPhil June 15, 2016 at 4:28 pm
ESPN reporting that Simmons is not working out for Philadelphia. So is he trying to “force” his way to LA? Will this influence the 76ers and push them towards Ingram? Or is Simmons so confident about being #1 he’s just not going to Philly until they draft him?”
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In the beginning, since he had ties and history with Russell, and fact that he tweeted himself in a Lakers jersey saying we could catch him on the Lakers next season, I assumed he would force his way here.
After all, the Philly is not the most desirable destination these days.
However, he’s not working out for any team, not just Philly, and I read somewhere that he has no problem playing for Philly.
So I suspect he’s either too confident, or not confident enough.
As for Philly’s choice, everything I have read says that they want him, and will take him, no matter if he works out for them or not.
Fern says
I served with Australians back in the day, most of them were the kind of rough dudes you wouldn’t want to get in a fight with. And im sure there are some inner city places in Australia that would make these pampered basketball players wet their pants. As much as i like and admire the talent in the NBA, the NBA is full of fake tough guys .As a veteran I take personal offense to a basketball game being refered as a “war”. If you look real close to all this basketball players most of them haven’t had a day of hardship their entire lives. I think there is more than being from the ghetto to be able to reach down and do the things these guys do on the basketball court…
Dick All Mighty says
Ingram is the pick as a die hard fan of the Lakers I’m willing to wait and see instead of going all in remember Nash and Howard we’re still paying for that one
Robert says
Wow – what to say about this thread?
There is a nice Trading Places / Coming to America reference above by busboys.
Busboys4me says
Thanks…
AusPhil says
Robert – I know right? I don’t think anyone would’ve predicted where this thread would go after reading the nice Ingram analysis that Darius posted. Very much and out of the blue turn to nationality & toughness, race, freedom of speech and (occasionally) the Lakers.
Vasheed says
Texas, You were puzzled why your post was taken down. I was only explaining the reason why. Regular posters here tend to be helpful.
Dom says
Ive been on board for Ingram over Simmons for months. I watched a lot of SEC basketball and while i saw Ingram grow mature and excel, I saw Simmons float. The thing we loved about Kobe was he was a flat out killer. Looking at Simmons and Ingram which one displayed that characteristic? Ingram. When faced with obstacles who seemed to push through? Ingram. Yes Simmons has a one in a lifetime body, athleticism and court vision, all that seems to be lacking is killer instinct and heat. You can blame the LSU coach, you can blame his teammates. Biut i think it says a lot when he didnt make the NCAA field, his team refused to showcase itself in the NIT. and he has refused to work out of any teams. If it walks like a bust, talks like a bust and smells like a bust its a Simmons. We got the best git stop over thinking it. Ingram is the real deal. If you look at his growth his maturity his hunger and project him 5-7 years down the road you have a beast on your hands. The thing that separates the good from the great and the great from legendary is hunger. In your gut which guy has that? Ingram hands down
smokedaddy says
OK, Darius asked in a tweet if he shud post on the fit of Simmons with Lakers on off chance Philly takes Ingram. I say yes. Heres a link to an ESPN piece that’s worth looking at. Not sure I’m completely sold but he does addresss the issue of his shooting and defense. http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2016/story/_/page/Coach15602825/ben-simmons-nba-ceiling
Busboys4me says
Bringing in Simmons scares me because he and Russell’s relationship. I don’t trust it because they are both a little too millinial cocky. I can see them splitting the locker room and stunting each others’ growth due to the lack of maturity. AAU hampers some and I think it has with these two.
Simmons refusal to work out for anyone shows a hubris that I don’t want on our team. He posses too many potential problems from repetition of positions to his inconsistent shooting. I just don’t think he fits us.
KenOak says
I thought about jumping in feet first when the fires were hottest, but decided that it just isn’t worth it. Great article Darius! Part of me thinks Mitch and Jim are going to try and move the pick for a big name player in order to lure another big name in FA. I *think* that this is probably the wrong move, but who knows right?
All I can say is that it’s hard to pass up on a 6′ 9″ guy who could be the next Durant.
smokedaddy says
Dom/Busboy- Well said.
I’ve been thinking the same on Simmons & Russell being just a little too close given both of their character issues and maturity. I’m willing to give Russell a chance to grow up and redeem himself but if Simmons is his bro then chances are we’ll see even more of a high school environment. First thing Walton needs to do is meet with the players individually and collectively and address what it means to be a professional, responsible teamate. Sometimes that means looking the other way when your fellow team member is doing things your momma taught you weren’t right. Or it may simply mean holding individuals responsible for their actions in a forthright respectful manner. Requires a sense of balance, a willingness to listen, and knowing when to shut up. Innis strikes me as a kid who has these qualities. Simmons I’m not sure. God I hope its Ingram.
KevTheBold says
Great read Dom!
Agree with your points with regards to his internal fire, to this point.
I read too, that Simmons has the highest bust potential, however if we end up with him, I hope thats not the case.
I also agree with Busboys, that pairing him with DAR might cause problems, though didnt DAR comment that he wondered how Ben could fit into our roster?
J C says
Originally I wanted Simmons but Ingram is looking very good now, and with Simmons not working out for Philly, maybe Philly actually takes Ingram instead. So we could end up with Simmons after all.
So either way we get a great player.
If Simmons is left on the table for us to draft, it does seem more likely that Randle becomes part of a trade package.
One more week til draft night!
Lakers Guru says
Has anyone seen any games from Monte Verde High with Ben & D’Angelo sharing the ball.. My take is that Ben is so ball dominant that it pushes D’Angelo into a much lesser role…
Russell is easy going & not fiery at all – so maybe it will work….
Simmons will completely change what we’Ve been led to expect.. But who knows, it could be exciting….
Dom says
A point regarding Philly. The CoAngelo’s cant risk passing on Simmons. That’s the best part of the Lakers having the number 2 pick. After the tanking fiasco, the unceremonious dismissal of Hinke and the ire of the Philly fans they have to take Simmons. What’s really scary that we haven’t talked about is Simmons reluctance to take open jump shots. In the NBA with defenses geared to take away your strengths you have to be well rounded. Simmons has a fantastic handle, amazing vision, was a very good rebounder for a college player. His strengths are amazing but so are his weaknesses. If the 76ers passed on Simmons and he became a star in LA the CoAngelo’s would be run out of Philly. I believe their hands are tied to Simmons. Last point a bad locker room is infectious. The culture surrounding Philly is one of losing and from Noel, Okafor, What happened with Carter-Williams no one wants to play their. Okafor essentially quit on them and i see Simmons doing the same.
Hobbit says
Ingram and buddy are the killers in this draft they are scoring machines. Simmons have that lebron and magic to his game though will make.players better around him. The Lakers need Ingram though because Russell can make everbody better especially with him working with magic. Dont buy into those trade rumors they are all lies. Kobe is gone so russell can now play his position the right way. But i say thanks to kobe for those 5 rings
Jack Warner says
If you haven’t seen the Brandon Ingram documentary that Duke just released it’s a must watch. Great film and gives awesome insight on his story. Can’t wait for him to wear the purple and gold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4aG13dR3IQ