Lakers/Magic Game 3 Chat

Kurt —  June 9, 2009

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Here we go. I think we all have said this may be the toughest game for the Lakers to win. It will come down a lot to defense, and I like what Zephid said:

If I were the Lakers, I’d take a big chance in Game 3 and let Dwight Howard get his in favor of staying with their shooters. As long as we can hold the rest of Orlando’s players to 40-50 points, we have a good chance of winning even if Dwight goes for 40.

If the Lakers are close after the first quarter, after the initial energy of Orlando at home, I like our chances. Let’s Go Lakers!


to Lakers/Magic Game 3 Chat

  1. Did you mean game 3, Kurt, in the heading?

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  2. Coffee is For Closers June 9, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    I guess its never too early to talk about game 4. Ha.

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  3. And from what we’ve seen so far; Dwight is not going to score 40 on Pau even if he’s not doubled. (Yes, I’m saying on Pau since the refs are picking on Drew.)

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  4. 1 – I hope so, or I was probably unconscious the last few days.

    I like Zephid’s suggestion too. So far our defense has been based on unpredictability – confusing Dwight, varying the time and angles of the doubles. But not sending the doubles (or better yet, sending them, but less frequently) could keep Dwight out of his rhythm as well and prevent the Lewis 18-point quarter explosion.

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  5. Coffee is For Closers June 9, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    I actually think we need to continue to mix it up on Dwight. I think he’s clearly confused by what the Lakers are throwing at him, so some straight up and some doubles are in order. Won’t be a bad idea to give him some single coverage since lakers want to keep those role players from getting involved with easy open shots.

    Interested to see if Tiger is at the game, and if he’s sporting Laker colors. C’mon Eldrick.

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  6. And LA leads the series 2-1.
    So what are your keys for Game 4?

    Ha!

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  7. Wow who is that little girl? Amazing voice.

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  8. Magic, Wilbon, and Barry predicted the Lakers will be blown out tonight I can’t wait until 10 PST to gloat! I can’t believe the critics saying the Lakers have no shot to win

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  9. Can we take up a collection to get Birdman to the game? If his attendance means a win, maybe we can counteract Gina Marie’s national anthem streak.

    Of course the Lakers have been serious streak busters this year.

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  10. Its hilarious how the lakes are supposed to sweep every round of the playoffs and not lose a game I’ve never seen so much criticism heaped on a team thats 2 wins from a title

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  11. Is it really a good omen to bring Nick Anderson to announce the SL in a Magic Finals game?

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  12. Coffee is For Closers June 9, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    That’s funny, they’ve got Nick Anderson getting the crowd fired up.

    Should you really have a guy who’s most known for a collosal choke in the finals be so prominent in your introductions?

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  13. Snoopy – exactly my thought.

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  14. Game 4…? I’m confused. Clearly I need more be… OMG! Craig Sager has competition! What the **** is that floor announcer wearing?

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  15. Does anyone have a link to the game?

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  16. Coffee is For Closers June 9, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    mimsy, thats florida chic.

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  17. Fixed it, now game three. Still at the office and trying to multitask. I apparently am not very good at that.

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  18. I to am picking the Lakers to lose…but blown out?? I am not so sure about that. It could happen though, if the Lakers do lose, lets hope they lose less than 10 points. That way the Lakers can still have some confidence going into game 4.

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  19. Kenny Smith said its a blowout game too. But he said the winner, whichever team it will be, will win by more than 10 pts.

    Go Lakers

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  20. Note to self: Never move to Florida. Humidity aside, the chic would kill what little remains of my sanity.

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  21. Coffee is For Closers June 9, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Tiger just sporting a stanford cap… Weak!

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  22. VoR, haha.

    My schedule of work tells me I will be able to attend Game 4 in Orlando and spend a week there with my family in Disneyland.

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  23. Tiger doesn’t want to get food and beer thrown at hime if the Magic lose.

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  24. Here we Go!!!!

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  25. so whats the over/under on how many times ABC will show tiger tonight? 34?

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  26. I say 20.

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  27. Lets gogogo. go lakers!

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  28. Yes! Give it to Pau!

    I like the start of this game. Energy, focus, we’re not letting the home court or crowd intimidate us… if the Magic win I doubt this will be a blow-out.

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  29. Nevermind, found it πŸ™‚ I really need to get a TV…

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  30. Psst, Emma…. post it for anyone else who wants a link? (Yeah, I have a TV, but I always feel bad for anyone not able to watch.)

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  31. Four possessions, four shots in the paint. That’s what we want, Lakers.

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  32. Whats up with the jumpers? How about that weak foul on Pau.

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  33. Haha, I figured I was the only one since no one responded. I went to channelsurfing.net — but the feeds are poor quality, as usual. Better than nothing!

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  34. *checks wishlist* so far, so good…

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  35. Derek Fisher’s jumper is money in these Finals.

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  36. kobe looks good.

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  37. Andrew Bynum made it down to the five minute mark before picking up his first foul? In Orlando!? That’s crazy talk.

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  38. The Lakers look calm and focused. They do not seem to be rushed or flustered. I like it.

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  39. Coffee is For Closers June 9, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    Great start, offense looks good.

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  40. I like this start. We’re getting the ball in the post, forcing them to hit shots. We’re still leaving them open, but that’s to be expected when the Magic are playing this fast and hasty.

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  41. Coffee is For Closers June 9, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    I think this is why some of us still like laker hater bill simmions, “Orlando firing up its Game 3 crowd w/ Nick Anderson was like livening up a wedding reception by hiring OJ Simpson as the DJ.”

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  42. Kobe off to a good start 3 assists and 5 points

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  43. Wow, I think that is exactly what Jeff Van Gundy will look like in 20 years.

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  44. wow best offensive move ive seen from Howard all series

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  45. BYNUM!!

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  46. Beautiful play by Bynum. Take it straight at Howard; he’ll hack if he can’t block it.

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  47. Coffee is For Closers June 9, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    great and 1 drew! somebody wake up the O crowd.

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  48. Gee, thanks for jinxing that Coffee…. πŸ˜›

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  49. Coffee is For Closers June 9, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    my bad : (

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  50. we’re the team getting the high percentage looks so got to be happy

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  51. Howard’s spin move seems out of control. It always looks like he spins too far and just lets up a semi-wild push shot. Once he actually gets a post move, or a bank shot like Duncan, he’ll be unguardable.

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  52. Question: I’ve never been to Amway Arena?

    How is their security there? Is it strict?

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  53. where’s the DPOY when Kobe is posting up Pietrus?

    Scary that D12 was the DPOY based solely on his athletic abilities. Imagine if he learned good help defense.

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  54. From hoopshype: Lee guarding Kobe is like Sarah Palin debating Winston Churchill.

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  55. I’m a bit lost here, how long is supposed to last a full time out in the finals???

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  56. Birdman, hope it is better than it was at the French Open final.

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  57. Okay, I can check of that on the wishlist as well. Kobe has arrived.

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  58. Kobe obviously doesn’t want this series to go back to LA…

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  59. Orlando is doing a good job of involvng Pau in screens to free up Lewis. ‘Shard has gotten several open looks as either the screener or the man getting screened. We’ve also got to adjust on a hot Alston.

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  60. we’re gonna need a good showing from the bench mob. Orlando has a lot of energy tonight.

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  61. This game is not going the way I expected at all… and I am quite alright with that.

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  62. we seem to be playing well,

    only trouble is the magic is able to stay with us

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  63. Man… Guarding Kobe must be soooo demoralising at times.

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  64. Wow. Holy mother of mustard. Wow.

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  65. Battie really blocked Kobe’s arm well there.

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  66. the justin.tv link i was watching just got cut, anyone got a link somewhere else?

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  67. I like that Phil brought Odom in for Gasol rather than Bynum per usual. Drew is playin well and this will keep Gasol fresh.

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  68. Chad, I think Emma has one on channelsurfing.net

    Emma?

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  69. Mark Jackson, I don’t think we can consider Sasha Vujacic as “another shooter” after this season.

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  70. That Kobe man is something.

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  71. Very worried about foul trouble. We obviously need big minutes from Pau.

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  72. Kobe Bryant, 7-10, 17 points in the 1st Quarter. We could not have had a better 1st period.

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  73. good start for the Lakers. Gasol in early foul trouble could be a problem

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  74. sweet, thanks mimsy

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  75. After tonight’s game, I’m straight to Orlando, need to get Laker sightings and a good Kobe one too.

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  76. Orlando shot 68 percent and we are still leading lol

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  77. I think the Magic are playing better over all: their role players are playing better and their shots are falling, just as expected, and I don’t think Kobe can keep this up. 2 fouls on Pau doesn’t help.

    But, that they haven’t run us over is a Good Thing.

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  78. 1st quarter notes:

    1. Bill Simmons is right, Joe Crawford DOES officiate every playoff game where the home team needs a win.

    2. I like that we’ve been in the triangle all game. this will open a lot up with the Kobe Gasol PNR later on

    3. Orlando’s here to compete.

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  79. Bigs doing well? Check.

    Fisher and Ariza with good defense? Check.

    Kobe playing like the best in the world? Check.

    Great, great 1st Quarter.

    Very nice.

    Go Lakers!

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  80. What I can see, the Lakers are letting Alston shoot but taking away his passing. Even if he is hitting that I could live with.

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  81. Sasha please..

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  82. Very worrisome line-up on the floor.

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  83. Vujacic with a bad shot, a bad foul, and bad defense all within 30 seconds.

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  84. Sasha being Sasha…

    Please stop shooting on the move… or rather, please stop throwing the ball towards the basket while on the move.

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  85. ticky-tack call on Farmar.

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  86. So far the bench apparently came to play too… I like it!

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  87. I like this lineup minus sasha plus brown. we need someone who can HIT threes, not just shoot them.

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  88. Orlando cant keep the shooting this hot…they have got to cool off at some point

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  89. You know everytime Vujacic makes a bad shot, he is going to foul on the other end.

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  90. There it is. Like JVG, it’s the same pressure Ariza was allowed to get away with (actually less) but they’re calling it tonight. Home court whistles. Our defenders have to adjust.

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  91. Joe – I think that’s what Cleveland thought…

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  92. Wow, absolutely beautiful play from Walton. Tried to pass, couldn’t do it, made a move and got an easy score.

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  93. Hard to think of a player who gets more out of his talent and athleticism than Walton. I’ve never understood why so many people seem to have a problem with him.

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  94. What is this just bad Laker defense or good Orlando offense? I guess a combination of both.

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  95. really dont like the matchups right now. we need size

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  96. the refs certainly have a memo to let Orlando win today

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  97. Orlando is shooting 76% compared to LA’s 58%. And yet they’re still down by two.

    I’ll take it any time.

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  98. Joel: I actually think he’s judged a little unfairly because of his contract. Had he been paid less, there would have been less complaining.

    I really like him as well. He sort of playing like the bizarro-Sasha right now, making all the right decisions.

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  99. Coffee is For Closers June 9, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    Yep, we’re in chase mode a bit too much, and as expected, they’re getting some contributions from some guys who can’t play on the road. But were up 2, can’t complain.

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  100. Pau HAS TO avoid his third foul.

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  101. Prediction: Ff the Magic shoot 80% for the rest of the series, they will at least push it to seven.

    Prediction #2: The Magic will not continue to shoot 80% for the rest of the series.

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  102. When was the last time Orlando missed a shot?

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  103. Refs have missed some calls but I chalk that up to bad luck. As far as being in the tank for Orlando though, how about the ABC production crew? Have you ever heard a quarter and a half of absolutely non-stop focus on how good one team is doing when that team has been behind and continues to be behind that entire time?

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  104. DOUBLE DRIBBLE

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  105. How the heck did Crawford miss that call?

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  106. Coffee is For Closers June 9, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    Kobe is dare I say it,

    en fuego!

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  107. yep the refs missed the double dribble

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  108. I smell Home-roast pig.

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  109. The Refs are driving me nuts.

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  110. Joey Crawford, everybody.

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  111. late to the show, can anyone give me a quick summary?

    why is Kobe being Kobe?

    rest of the team doesn’t seem to have gotten much touch, and Alston is on fire?

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  112. Coffee is For Closers June 9, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Will, reminds me of the time brent musberger kept giving alabama’s wimp sanders credit for slowing down LMU the year they had their amazing ncaa run, even though they were losing. “wimp sanders is coaching a classic” my buddies and i still quote that line.

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  113. orlando 13 assists on 19 field goals, lakers 7 assists on 20 field goals, lakers can’t keep this up the whole game, they need to rotate better than they are doing

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  114. harold: Magic makings all their shots, Kobe showing why he’s the best in the game. That pretty much sums it up.

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  115. The only think I hate about the bad calls is that in the 4th quarter if things revert to the mean and the bad calls start going in our favor, then we’ll have to hear non-stop about how the refs were trying to fix it for the Lakers, never mind all of the plays in the early quarters like that double dribble or the Howard goal tend early in game 2 that have just as much affect on the score as bad calls late in the game.

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  116. @ will (106): The crew’s job is to keep up the excitement so people don’t switch channels. I don’t think they want another Laker blowout.

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  117. theres tiger again. 3 times

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  118. kobes got crazy vision right there. i thought that was a turnover

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  119. Kobe finally misses from three land!

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  120. Was that intended to be an assist to Gasol?! I am skeptical.

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  121. Orlando zero offensive rebounds.

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  122. that’s because they’re not missing.

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  123. Kurt, I don’t think they’ve had much to rebound πŸ˜‰

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  124. i dont know long orlando can shoot like this but I know we can play better defense

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  125. The good thing is that the game is close even with Orlando making majority of thier shots.

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  126. hopefully, Magic have been playing on adrenaline and they’ll cool down during half time. The Lakers can help them cool down with tighter defense.

    Kobe is playing an amazing game. It’s just that he does this so much I don’t stop and think how amazing it is.

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  127. Howard is murdering Fisher on these screens.

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  128. we’re in the bonus!!

    I can’t believe it!

    it’s a good sign, i hope and hope we keep this up.

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  129. Interesting Kobe’s comment about being a lot better player than he was a year ago. He’s definitely a better game manager, and in that way sort of transcend level of basketball play.

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  130. What’s the highest percentage shot for a half ever in the finals?

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  131. Can’t believe this is a single digit game.

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  132. Mr. Hollinger, I will never make fun of you ever again for your fallacious interpretation of the law of averages.

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  133. look at Dwight Howard. He thinks he’s accomplished something.

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  134. This game is probably going to be all about who goes cold first in the 3rd quarter. Could be a very hard game for either team to come back from if the other team goes on a run and gets double-digits.

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  135. Look for more Gasol in the second half.

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  136. Everybody else needs to start scoring, Kobe can’t do it all.

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  137. seventy freaking five percent!

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  138. 75%!

    What’s keeping us in the game? I mean a shooting percentage difference of over 20% without any other significant advantages across the board, and it’s still a two possession difference.

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  139. I think it will really help us that Pau got some rest in the 1st half. If Lamar continues to leave Lewis alone, I hope Pau and Bynum play a little more together in the 2nd half. Also, if Rafer is still hot in the 2nd half I wonder if Phil will try Shanwow on him?

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  140. if the lakers pull this off despite orlando shooting 75%…

    they really have NO answer.

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  141. The problem isn’t Alston hotting shots, Hedo and Rashard getting it going is a problem.

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  142. Bynum only has one foul. I wonder what that means for him in terms of defensive aggressiveness in the second half?

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  143. The officiating has been extremely one-sided. and the magic are shooting well. we are lucky this game is close

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  144. Kobe has missed his last 4 shots (granted, at least two of them were at the end of the shot clock). Hopefully, they start going to Pau/Lamar more in the 2nd half and try to get Lewis into foul trouble.

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  145. Got to feel good about only being down 5, considering we just saw the best shooting half in Finals history.

    Still, a few observations:

    1) Guard Lewis. I think he has proved he can shoot when he is open.

    2) Keep feeding into the post.

    3) Trust in Kobe. He is finding open teammates, and should have 3 more assists. (Tangent: There needs to be a +Assist Statistic. One that reflects passes that create fouls, but not baskets. For that matter, there should be a Assist Opportunities Statistic for Passes that lead to Shots, make or miss.)

    Go Lakers!

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  146. I am pleased with our performance for the half. However, a little sad we let them pull ahead at the end. The good news is the 75% shooting hopefully won’t continue. I do think we make a mistake every time we don’t go inside and attack Howard. The magic are so much more beatable when he is on the bench (even when he is not scoring a lot). We must put pressure on him. Also, we keep leaving the 3 pointer wide open – we can’t do that in orlando . They obviously shoot them much better at home. We gotta stick to the defense in the second half – and attack howard in the paint, get to the free throw line – that is the key to this game. Hopefully some calls will go in our favor. IT would be HUGE if we take this game. Simply because I don’t doubt the Magic can win 3 in a row at home.

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  147. Kobe will have no legs in the 4th if he has to keep carrying the offense.

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  148. 146. In my opinion Kobe has not taken even one shot today he should not have taken. Most of his makes as well as misses came of broken plays where he had to make something out of nothing. seriously people look at the box score and see kobe shooting a lot and make assumptions. they should check how many times he shoots with less than 15 second on the shoot clock.

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  149. If Orlando keeps shooting 75% this will eventually turn into a rout. I’m hoping they cool off and we can get a little more aggressive on D.

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  150. odom, please please please stick to rashard lewis

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  151. Allowing 75 percent shooting is unacceptable. Please defend the pick n roll. We are a few missed Kobe jump shots from big trouble.

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  152. i like the likelihood of kobe staying hot better than the magic shooting 75%.

    that said, there will be some adjustments made by phil jackson. there better be.

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  153. At 54% we are the worse shooting team… That’s just weird.

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  154. Orlando is playing the type of offense that would make most teams fold under their crushing weight of execution. They’re setting hard screens, using the dribble wisely, and making shots that are both easy and difficult. This created success and rhythm and flow and confidence. They. Can’t. Miss.

    But it’s time to try and take it all away. Give some fouls. Fight through screens. Not frustration stuff – tough, hard basketball. Slow the game down. Make it harder to get to the spots that they like. Start to pressure the ball. We’ve played okay defense and they’ve played off the charts offense. They won’t just cool off because “they can’t keep it up”. We’ve seen our team keep it up for entire games – they can too. We must *make* them stop. Time to knuckle up. Let’s Go!

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  155. The problem is the getting the cat back in the bag.

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  156. Two things that won’t last: barking dogs chasing cars, and a team’s 80% shooting clip.

    Orlando has to feel like Clubber Lang in the rematch fight in Rocky III. He hit him with everything he had, and Rocky was still standing.

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  157. One thing is for sure…..If we come back and win this game, it will take a mental toll on the Magic no matter how much they try to forget about it….lets just hope we can do that !!!

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  158. j. d. hastings June 9, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    Kobe missed 6-7 to end the half. He has to come back looking to get everybody else involved-

    THEN EVERYBODY HAS TO GUARD SOMEONE

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  159. I say make it a half court game.

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  160. The need to run the offense and get Odom and Gasol involved.

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  161. I don’t like the way the Lakers are defending the PNR. In the first two games they were bumping players so that they were getting to their spots a little later. In this game they are not doing it. Part of it is that the Lakers were called for some touch fouls when they tried but they still need to do it make the refs call it.

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  162. That’s kind of the problem with the Magic. They can keep it up. They can keep this going. We need to slow down their offense, and take control over the tempo, and contest every single shot. And then attack the paint. Again, again, again, again.

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  163. 153, you have a choice, either Lewis shoots a semi-open three, or Dwight Howard gets a completely open dunk.

    Howard’s screens are much, much better this game. His angles are better, and he’s really staying on the screen with a wide base, completely hammering Fisher on a couple of them. If Fisher pulls his tricks, I think he can draw some moving screen calls on Howard. Orlando is getting into the lane just because Howard is setting great screens; nothing else to it.

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  164. Pau has zero rebounds, assists, blocks, everything but points. Those two first quarter fouls really took away his aggressiveness. There’s no way we can hold off an energized Magic team if Gasol doesn’t assert his will on the game.

    I think we have this one. I smell it They’ll make a run to start the 3rd, we’ll weather it, claw back, and win a close one.

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  165. Not EXACTLY the way I envisaged us starting the 2nd half…

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  166. Law of averages going to catch up with Fisher…

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  167. I need someone explaining me how is Lewis shooting uncontested almost every time…

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  168. 170, it’s really simple. Either Dwight Howard gets a dunk, or Lewis gets an open three.

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  169. FISHER”S defense is ABYSMAL!!!! that is several times a player ran by him right to the basket!

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  170. What on Earth is wrong with Kobe’s free throws tonight? The jinx is back?!?

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  171. If there’s one call that the ref’s are truly missing it’s the 3 second call on Howard. He’s getting one foot out of the lane but not both on every one of his dives and subsequent swing passes around the perimeter.

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  172. Wow, that was a rare sequence of FTs by Kobe…

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  173. Well…they are down to 73 percent…..lmao

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  174. Solid 4-count on Howard in the paint on that Lewis layup.

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  175. And four more on that missed layup.

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  176. Ugliest possession ever?

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  177. kobe needs to chill regain his focus

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  178. Ha, ha. That was a bad possession.

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  179. Kobe is out of control! He is trying to do to much too many Lakers standing around. The defense is keyed in on him, now is the time for him to drive and dish be the assassin that he was in game one!

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  180. Some day, and that day will never come, I will call upon you to blow the whistle when Orlando commits a foul. Until that day, accept these bail-outs as a gift, on our first Finals home game in over a decade.

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  181. haha, Ariza sitting on Phil’s chair

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  182. THESE CALLS are killing me! geez i expect some home favoritism but we are getting clobbered, call on kobe was bogus and done to get him to lay off

    that is a “don’t mess with me” from the officials call on byrant despite hardly any contact

    the lakers need to play more smoothly on offense, attack howard, they are letting him get wide open under the basket

    gasol needs to go right at him on offense – he only has 2 fouls!

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  183. Still you have to feel good about this game. Their shooting lights out, and we’re down three with the ball.

    If the Lakers can find an answer for the p&r down the stretch, there’s a good chance we could steal this one.

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  184. The entire team needs to take a breath right now. We’re like a runner in a 100M dash that’s so close to the finish line that we’re losing our form on our sprint. Calm down and understand that we’re in position to actually win.

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  185. Ha! The joke is on the Magic, their shooting is down to a meager 71%, how do they expect to win a game playing like that?

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  186. kobe needs to go back to facilitater kobe

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  187. We are giving them the game here but going nutzo on offense – terrible possessions!!!

    also fisher is officially killing us right now – alston keep getting layups on him!

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  188. Oh, yeah, if Kobe just settles down this game is ours, he has taken his own team out of the offense.

    Now let’s go Lamar, you’re fired up now!!!

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  189. Im late want to say that Mark Jackson and Gundy are actually entertaining tonite. And we are seeing why Ariza has to be the keeper out of the Lamar or Trevor decision this off season he is just too damn consistent on defense and on the boards, plus a good three ball to let go, I hope we can keep both. I hope the Lakers win tonite, but to be honest a win tonite means the end of entertainment till football season, so I can live with a loss the Magic are playing there best game in the teams history.

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  190. I don’t care about facilitator Kobe, I just want FT making Kobe.

    He’s shooting 50% from the FT line.

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  191. I can t understand why Phil is staying with Fish….Alston is killing usΒ‘

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  192. Come one….! Keep playing defense, execute smartly on offense, and this is still a game.

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  193. I think i’ve seen this line displayed in yahoosports live page for more than five times..

    “R. Alston drives to the hoop for a layup”

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  194. Fisher is playing his best game of the season a lot of good basketball out there as I figured would be the case in a game three.

    By the way where do I sign up to ref I am pretty sure I can call goal tends when a hand goes through the basket and travel on four steps and two hands on the ball drive.

    NBA where amazingly bad officiating happens.

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  195. On the other hand…

    We’re staying close despite Orlando’s shooting, but also despite Lamar’s relative low production on the floor (can’t see how he’s doing, since i’m on gamecast).

    If Gasol can step it up and if Kobe lets him, we have a good shot.

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  196. First half they killed us with 3’s. Now they are killing us with ALston Layups! WTF. Also, free throws killing us – howard is making them and getting to the line more than our whole team combined.

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  197. Kobe & Pau 50 of 69 team points.
    A little help would be appreciated….

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  198. The shots Alston is making are not ones that Farmar or ShanWOW would be likely to stop anyway. Rafer is a streaky guy. We just need to weather the storm here and stay within 4-5 points. Right now our lack of motion on offense is a bigger concern than our defense.

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  199. Lakers not being patient enough, taking too many bad shots. Still, Magic are coming back to earth, this game is still theirs for the taking.

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  200. I sweat I would have time to cook a second dinner during one of these commercial breaks. Can we go back to the game, please?

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  201. we need brown on alston

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  202. Damn I feel Fish is playing pretty good, a bigger question is why he hates playing Shannon, but as I said last chat I think its cuz he wants to get him resigned cheap and you know how one good finals performance gets you a ridiculous contract. exhibit A Deven George exhibit B Sasha Vucachuck exhibit C Luke Walton (dude is sweet but overpayed_

    The real problem is WHERE IS MBENGA

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  203. Sorry I meant Kobe/Pau and ARIZA

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  204. Man I want to get mad about these freethrows but honestly i would rather have one horrible game, and the last two wons due to the fact Gasol and Lamar nailed em. By the way Ariza and Farmar got six threes in em it aint over.

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  205. 1. Kobe has dominated the ball fairly a lot this game, but our shooters must reward him on those occasions when Kobe does pass the ball.

    2. Our FT shooting will be our demise.
    * Farmar just made 2FTs. Yay

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  206. Farmar is playing great defense on Alston.

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  207. In only 1 minute farmar played MUCH better defense than fisher on Alston

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  208. I just love it when they force HEdo or Rashard to move inside the three point line. Farmar is ready to be a starter his defense is looking great.

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  209. The foul calls are as irrational as they were last game, but at least less frequent. Again, this is not over yet. Not by far.

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  210. I can feel Simers smiling off in the distance.

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  211. Howard not in foul trouble = bad news for us – that’s how we won the first game!

    PS – can someone tell me why gasol can’t get to the line – he is also 7 feet – why is he not attacking in the post – he has nice flip shots but needs to draw fouls

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  212. Lakers have a chance. They need to move the ball better on offense

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  213. LA is getting out-shot (Orl. 32 FGs made compared to LA’s 29), getting outrebounded (23 to 19), getting out-assisted (20 to 12).

    And yet they are only down by six (should have been 2 had Kobe made those free throws)

    Cheers everyone.
    The best is yet to come.

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  214. If we could somehow stifle the Magic offense in this quarter and win the game, it would be quite a feather in our cap.

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  215. Judging by the last-second plays run by the Lakers for the 2nd and 3rd quarters, if this game does come down to a last-possession situation, I hope Kobe will be smart and draw the defense and then make the open pass.

    And for this 4th QTR, let’s try and make at least 75% of our FT’s.

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  216. Too much Kobe-centric offense. I think we need to run the offense through Gasol in the high post, then need to move the ball around and get better shots. Make the extra pass, or the first one in some cases.

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  217. This is certainly a chance to win here.

    Post play! We need some big time, down low, hard working post play.

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  218. Refs in the NBA are the worst professional officials ever, but whats up with the two horribly you cant even argue em calls both being missed against the lakers. I want to see Pau put his hand through the net and get a non call or Farmar lead a fast break and just stop dribbling at half court and take it to the rim. The rest has been evenly horrible but those two calls non calls were ridiculous considering all three refs in both cases had nothing else to be watching at the time.

    As for the Fisher D on Alston I am pretty sure, on the wide open looks those were by design I think Phil wanted him shooting, but yes obviously Farmar and Brown are both better options on defense I think Phil is trying to let Fisher make some memories. And he probably will, I think he has one more finals moment in him.

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  219. la_resistance28 June 9, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    oy, 8 pt game now, this is getting outta hand

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  220. Odom just arrived in Orlando.

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  221. wow thats a horrible call. you guys are right you cant call that. rigged.

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  222. Terrible call on Luke.

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  223. WTF???

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  224. Joey Crawford is not going to let Orlando lose tonight!

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  225. Those are you kidding me shots by Pietrus and Battie are a bad sign. Like Jordan’s energy.

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  226. That shot by Pietrus explains why the Lakers aint winning tonights game lol

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  227. I think that lakers need to start guarding and not do ridiculous points like Jordan Farmar wasted 6 points. But I think that lakers will end the series 4-1 ( lost today )

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  228. Let ’em play – if “’em” are lee, howard and hedo. Call it tight – on trevor, luke and farmar.

    Just be consistent either way, ugh.

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  229. Walton did NOT commit a foul there.

    Or rather, if that is a foul, there is a foul on every drive to the hoop and every put back.

    NBA Officiating. It’s FANtastic!

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  230. THAT’s the kind of call that creates ref conspiracies. Terrible. and of course it was Crawford

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  231. Orlando does not have a single player below 50% so far

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  232. hmmm, there was no venom when Battie got some help “missing” that open dunk. By complaining about so many calls, doesn’t that lend credence to the many who talk about the Lakers getting all the calls (i.e. Simmons’ 10-1 atrocious call counter in crunch time of game 2)?

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  233. hey give it up to orlando. Their pretty damn hot tonight. 66% shooting. Doubt thatll happen in game 4. Give it up to the lakers too for making it close and competing.

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  234. its one thing to miss a call or to call a shot on a foul that wasn’t there. it’s quite another to call a phantom OFFENSIVE foul

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  235. Why is Kobe still out?

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  236. I hate Phil Jackson….He leaving out Kobe for so long…This isnt the regular season

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  237. that ball was obviously off of Odom so I can’t complain too much

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  238. Stop complaining about the refs.

    Lakers just got a huge break from Crawford when the ball hit off Lamar not Dwight.

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  239. uh dude that was a goaltend.

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  240. WE must make free throws to stay in this!!! WHY DID PHIL wait so long to put kOBE in – even van gundy gets it.

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  241. I’m complaining because the refs are inconsistent. They can call whatever imaginary BS they want, but I want them to be consistent on both ends, and more importantly, consistent for four quarters in a row.

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  242. I am sorry I got a man crush on Ariza

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  243. Don’t know what Stand Van Gundy was talking about but that was a goal tend.

    And have to hit the FTs.

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  244. The score would be the same if Kobe was in Kobe owns the last six minutes.

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  245. Kobe sat because he was not playing that well. Give him his rest and let him close with energy. Kobe was upset with Lee, with the Refs, with his teammates, he was just pissed. He needed to calm down. I’m glad Phil sat him. The lead didn’t grow out of hand and now Kobe can come back focused and ready. If we don’t win this game it will have nothing to do with an extra minute or two of rest for Kobe – it will have everything to do with an amazing offensive performance by the Magic (hitting more “oh my, how did that go in” shots than I can even count off the top of my head).

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  246. I’m not jinxing anything. πŸ˜€

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  247. as long phil aint putting sasha in im good. Farmar and Ariza are providing enough energy to win this game.

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  248. I did like Simmons’ theory on that, pointing to the fact that different refs are at different spots on the floor on each side. Makes it nearly impossible. His comments on Crawford were pretty analytical and decent as well.

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  249. So, um, how was that not a goal-tend by Howard on Lamar’s shot? The ball was clearly on its way down (unless the ruling was that it had no chance to go in). Phil sitting Kobe 5 minutes into the 4th was an odd decision…

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  250. I gotta say on both ends, but especially for the magic, the clutch shotmaking in this second half has been completely unreal.

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  251. I think it was smart to hold Kobe out as long as he did. He needed rest and the Lakers needed to run the offense and not just play “Kobeball.”

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  252. 252 compare this first quarter to last games

    Ariza rules

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  253. Fair point, sitting Kobe was smart. Looking at the flow of the Laker offense now, it makes a lot more sense.

    Pau! πŸ˜€

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  254. Did Van Gundy really just say that screen by Howard was a good screen and Ariza sold it?

    Seriously? Come on Jeff.

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  255. GET THE REBOUNDS!!!!!!!

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  256. Van Gundy must need some glasses or he is watching a different Game. That was the most obvious moving screen I have ever seen.

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  257. Fouling howard is not working – we can’t let him catch it that deep

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  258. @Shaky,
    His brother coaches the Magic. Let’s not be naive enough to expect anything but very biased commentary from Jeff Van Gundy this series.

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  259. there it was. somebody called that earlier

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  260. D fish…he sucks at times but clutch.

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  261. Good foul by Fisher.

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  262. Jesus, like JVG mentioned Fisher is our main enforcer. God Bless him.

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  263. this is unbearable free throws are killing us – we are forced to make tough shots – they get easy dunks or free throws it’s a miracle we are close

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  264. Costly mistake there by Gasol just use your length to contest the shot.

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  265. the refs have sucked, but all in all four minutes to go down four you have to take that. A good enough chance.

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  266. Let’s forget about the officiating, the commentators, and whatelse. .

    This is a great game.

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  267. Okay, let’s do that again. Stop. And score.

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  268. This is fun.

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  269. time to hit the FT’s

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  270. COME on make free throws – take this game and all their hopes with it

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  271. great stuff this quarter, we got all the mo, keep the crowd nervous

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  272. a few more stops and this is ours. they can’t stop us from scoring

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  273. Pau’s playing great in the post. I LOVE his moves.

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  274. Now Gasol just has to hit the FTs. Have to hand it to the Lakers, they are hanging in there despite the nothing less than spectacular offensive performance by Orlando. The Lakers have played some good D that last few positions. Need to keep it up.

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  275. Those four missed free throws by Kobe feel enormous right now…

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  276. win or lose I got no complaints tonite. Three games in noone can call out a laker for not showing up. very impressive.

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  277. 279 there have been some missed freethrows but then again kobe probably played the best first quarter in the history of the NBA finals.

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  278. Those atrocious Year One commercials continue to make me cringe…

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  279. Nick: On the other hand, his 4 point play and others feel pretty big;)

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  280. Seriously the shooting in this game… I may post this 3 more times. Absolutely crazy.

    Also I think Kobe may have been hit by 2 people on that breakaway layup miss. But Pau complaining about that out ball sort of makes me feel kharmically it balances out. This is my zen moment.

    Make these frees, Pau.

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  281. Lakers need to go inside

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  282. That was SO offensive interference.

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  283. that offensive rebound just crushed us!

    than kobe tried to go for all the marbles

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  284. Kobe needs to do his crossovers get in, then leave Ariza open pass and score a 3. If Lakers win today then they are probably going to loose tomorrow. Kobe needs to start taking control. Again, I still thing Lakers are going to win the championships.

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  285. gamecast is gone for some reason…

    urgh in the blind.

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  286. no foul!?!

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  287. Box score is still up on Yahoo: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2009060919

    A little slow, but a good data stream.

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  288. That was a foul should have been and 1. Big shot by Lewis there.

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  289. That should have been an +1 for Pau.

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  290. free throws were the diffrence in this game – overall we played prety well but regardless of all the bad calls made – we missed a ton of our free throws early on

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  291. That was not a 3, Lewis’s foot was on the line.

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  292. Game of millimeter’s. With Lewis’ foot on the line, Lakers are not in as big of a hole as they could or should be in.

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  293. Ya I think lakers lost it today . But I think Orlando will loose tomorrow. I actually want Lakers to loose today so that they can get their rings in L.A. πŸ™‚

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  294. LET’S GO LAKERS

    IT’S WINNING TIME FOLKS

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  295. Wow. Kobe killing us from the line.

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  296. man….ball don’t lie

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  297. la_resistance28 June 9, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    KOBE! Make your darn FREE THROWSSS!!

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  298. Um, yeah, let’s not celebrate yet. That’s why all the other fans hate us arrogant Laker-lovers.

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  299. If it takes all of Orlando’s players shooting 50%+ for them to have a 4 pt lead, I’d take it.

    60+% from the field 40+% from the 3, 70+% from the FT line, outrebound us by 6, out assist us by 7 and only lead by 4?

    wow.

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  300. The Magic have attempted 14 threes? Really?

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  301. Free Throws please?

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  302. I guess KOBE is always sooo perfect we are surprised we he misses FTS like that – because he never does
    i guess no one is perfect

    but worst time to start missing is NOW

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  303. OK HOWARD shooting better FT% than KOBE is ridiculous!!!!!

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  304. all the talk of anti-LA bad calls, then a questionable one goes for them. Almost as if it hits both sides

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  305. After seeing Kobe drawing up plays on the sideline with Pau, I think that was a drive-and-dish, on the replay Pau is rolling to the basket wide open. Watch for it again next time down.

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  306. If Orlando wins this game it will be in part due to their amazing FT defense against Kobe.

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  307. Kobe has 8 assists again. In game 2 he had 7 TOs to go with that, now he has 5 missed FTs to go with it.

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  308. kobe’s only 5-10 from the line. wow if he were immaculate today, we’d be looking at a tied game or advantage lakers.

    anyhow, i feel good even with this loss if this guarantees we compete from hereon to the end. orlando got hot. we had our share but i see at least a victory in this 3-game stretch. i still want la to end it here and now though.

    all we need is a stop! before stop, kobe time!

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  309. I know that probably all of you are not going to agree with me, but as great as he is ( he’s going to be one of the greatest ) today Kobe has shown that he is no Jordan.

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  310. #311,
    Because Jordan never had a bad day during the playoffs…?

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  311. Freeze! It’s Ariza time!

    I hope. “stole” that line to give us some mojo.

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  312. I HATE PIETRUS@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  313. Kobe is KILLING us. I love you, Kobe, but man.

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  314. Because Jordan never missed FTs?

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  315. oops. darn my jinxing…

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  316. we had it in our hands

    and for the first time – kobe pretty much lost it for us single-handedly

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  317. oh man. darn

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  318. 28.7 seconds, lot’s of time remaining.

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  319. Careless plays and missed free throws, can’t win that way. This one is on kobe.

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  320. jesus kobe you always turn it over when u split the double team, why wont u learn

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  321. Not Kobe’s night

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  322. Nope because Jordan never choked in a Fianl game.

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  323. that was a bad play by kobe more than a good play by pietrus

    pau tried but should have called time

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  324. Apparently Kobe learned nothing from game 2 of the Denver series, when he tried pretty much the exact same move, with the exact same result. Argh.

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  325. LA takes a 2-1 lead. πŸ˜€

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  326. Live by the Kobe, die by the Kobe.

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  327. All this choke talk is about 28 seconds too early.

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  328. 321, selective memory there james. Kobe won us the game in OT of Game 2 when he split the double and passed to Gasol for the And1.

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  329. pietrus taking a number on kobe. that should piss him off more because he lost the ball than anything else!

    when plays like this happen, the opponent usually wins. i have yet to see kobe jack up enough 3s in a row since that old kings-lakers blowout when he started hitting 3s to help the lakers catch-up. and that wasn’t end game.

    anyway, wait and see

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  330. So Kobe is human after all. Who knew…

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  331. la_resistance28 June 9, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    4 TOs, and 5-10 from the line… before the game, would you have thought this would be Howard’s or Kobe’s line?

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  332. Love Lamar’s energy there.

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  333. oh my god did you guys just SEE FNG PIETRUS asking for a double dribble. God these guys.

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  334. lets all hate on Kobe now right?
    can we remember who carries on his back to get us to game 3 of the finals?

    You people are relentless…

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  335. Channeling the gods of Nick Anderson….

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  336. Too bad. Lakers had their chances.

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  337. Basketball 101 in a close game if the ball is on the floor and you drop on it, you call timeout!!!

    That’s game!!

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  338. Oh well.

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  339. man i am going to be really scared for game 4

    if we let them tie it up in game 4, they have a chance to go ahead in game 5

    this was very sad- we played well and then blew it at the end , gold opportunity busted

    i hope we can play this well for 2 more on the road

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  340. #338, bahzad,
    Hey now, don’t judge all of us just on one or two single posters… Kobe is human. Big surprise. Who care if “he’s no Jordan” or not?

    He’s one of the greatest to ever play this game. Enjoy the show. And watch him retaliate in the next game…

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  341. i expected more of kobe than that but we played well and almost won

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  342. Orlando sure can shoot.

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  343. I am not hating on Kobe. But he has certainly made some critical errors in this game.

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  344. That confetti has just doomed Orlando. Not tonight maybe (rare bad finish from Kobe, including bad free throws.)

    But dropping that confetti will really piss off the Lakers.

    You shot the best you have all playoffs and beat us by 2 or 4, and toss out the confetti?

    Uh huh.

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  345. that’s a wrap. anyhow, not hating on kobe. he’s our man. go lakers go! i feel a game 4 win if we keep our head up high after this. not a debacle after all. orlando was bound to have this night but still this doesn’t prove much more to them than to us.

    and you know kobe’s gonna drop a number on pietrus big time after this. he knows it’s on him. he doesn’t stink twice in a row…hope not.

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  346. Three, after seeing that expression on Pau’s face, I’m going to have to agree with you.

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  347. Our guys played with a lot of heart tonight. We played through what could quite possibly be the hottest hot-streak ever, and we were in this game all the way till the end. Honestly, we played about the best game we could play tonight. The Magic just had one of the all-time best shooting games, and we still had a chance to win.

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  348. Look, Orlando played as well as they can play and just squeaked out a win. Give them credit, but I like the way we competed tonight. We’re gonna take game 4.

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  349. Orlando palyed well and 62.5% from the field will win most games.

    Kobe will be ready for game 4

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  350. @ 346. The Lakers need motivation from confetti?? This is the NBA Finals for goodness sakes.

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  351. Again, no one picked the Lakers to win tonight.

    They had a chance to win the game, but the gods didn’t want them to sweep ’em.

    Never fear, LA fans, I’m going to Orlando and my “undefeated” record will help you.

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  352. It’s not hating, as it’s been pointed out we live by Kobe but also we die by Kobe.

    What it’s really frustrating to me it’s that he could be as great or better than MJ, but his “hero mode” restrains him from achieving so.

    What really pisses me off, it’s having to read the Simmons and Abbots, telling everybody that he’s selfish, that a trully goat would have never missed 5 ft in a finals game…

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  353. This loss does not really bother me for some strange reason.

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  354. Kobe played horrible down the stretch, very unlike him. There is no way in gods green earth the magic will play that well on thursday.

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  355. Kurt,get ready for the “i told you so” trolls.

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  356. Birdman, already deleted a few.

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  357. Bij J: Nothing motivates like a slap in the face.

    Nothing.

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  358. Alright I think Lakers will win tommorow Let’s GO LAKERS.

    ” And lakers win the series 4-1and our Finals MVP is Kobe Bryant “

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  359. Remember guys, it was Kobe that kept us in this game and kept this from being a total blowout.

    I mean, I don’t care, but if you let the other team shoot 60% without one, ONE player shooting below 50%, you have issues that go beyond one player.

    True enough, had Kobe been Kobe and missed just 2~3 instead of 5, this could have been ours, but we fared really well considering Lamar didn’t get himself on the box score too much.

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  360. #355,
    That’s why I don’t read their columns after a game like this. I read lakers.com.

    It’s a painful, heartbreaking loss, yes, but at the same time… it’s the NBA FInals. It’s supposed to be a challenge. And to their credit, the Lakers played well, played hard, and put of up a great fight. If I was a Magic fan, I would be worried about the next two games, because this one was supposed to be the easiest one to win.

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  361. We love Kobe, but let’s face it, it was too much Kobe in this game. If he shoots every possession of course he has to carry the team. We never established Lamar until the 4th quarter and Lamar delivered.

    I do not want to be a conspiracy theorist, but why exactly did Kobe miss 5 freethrows, in a championship game?

    Rewind, let’s look at the extended play of Farmar, all of a sudden he gets quality minutes when he has been unable to get off the bench no more than 5 a game. Farmar, too committed a similar turnover to Pau in the 4th quarter on a tough offensive rebound he throws the ball to the Magic, when he could have easily dribbled the ball out for a reset.

    Just looks questionable to me.

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  362. 3ThreeIII

    That happens at every arena when the buzzer goes off and the home team has a lead. It’s really annoying (esp. since they do it for most if not all games) but it’s not like there was intentional.

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  363. Great game tonight.
    Excellent play on both sides.
    Came down to the wire and featured players stepping up in the big moments.

    Hope the Lakers can come out in Game 4 with the same energy and effort. I can’t ask for anything less from this group. Keep your head high tonight, gentlemen. You have nothing to be ashamed of. Tip your hat to the Magic; it was their do-or-die game and they played a magnificent game.

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  364. I do not agree that we played about the best game we possibly could. Our defense was responsible for the Magic’s hot shooting – it didn’t just happen by luck.

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  365. Sorry I think the Lakers showed tonight that they are very focused on this championship. So focused that they could care less about confetti or any other trivial things. They didn’t disappear tonight like they have at times in these playoffs and I really like that. They really want this ring.

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  366. The game is on Thursday, Mr. Ali, so they’ll have to wait until then. But I agree they will win. I stand by my guess of Lakers in 6.

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  367. Ben-
    3ThreeIII is talking about how they jumped the gun with the confetti. The game was only over because the home town clock operator didn’t stop it when the whistle blew. That’s the “slap”.

    In review:
    Confetti after a victory: Whatever.
    Confetti with time remaining: Slap.

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  368. Why erase my comment? Kobe WAS the reason we lost this game down the stretch.

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  369. See ya in Game 4 guys.

    A loss is a loss.
    Although the Magic shot waaaaaayyyy better than LA, had more rebounds, more free throws, and more assists, LA still had a chance to win the game, and an uncharacteristic clutch performance by Kobe bailed Dwight and co.

    Take it as a stepping stone to learn from. But take this word: Orlando will lose Game 4 and 5.

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  370. Kurt I do really need you here, the refering has been as awful as I think ( especially letting Howard get away with everything when pursuing the off. reb); or I’m just being a bias fan?

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  371. WOW Kurt!! Delete away…

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  372. 373 look at howards fouls per game prior to this series, look at his playing style and his fould per game this series, he hasnt changed his game. The reffing has changed he has gone from a guy that was leading the nba in fouls per gam and per minute to two fouls a game in twice the time on court.

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  373. Quit blaming Kobe guys. He single handedly kept us in the game in the first half by scoring on so many broken plays. If not for his exceptional play in the first half this would have been a blow-out. And I do not think he took many bad shots down the stretch as well. Sometimes those shots go in and sometimes they don’t. It happens. And he has kept the Lakers in games by shooting all his free throws how many times in the last 10 years? Think about that before you start criticizing his FT shooting…

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  374. it’s going to be a long 2 days when the kobe haters rise from their crypt and roam the earth.

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  375. One man does not cost a team a game.

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  376. I don’t think too many of us thought that the Lakers were going to sweep this series coming in, and this was always going to be a pretty tough game to win. When any team shoots 62% for the game they’re going to be tough to beat. Some of those were open looks, some of those were tough shots that just went down. I wouldn’t worry too much about the loss, but there are clearly some adjustments that can be made defensively.

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  377. lets just hope howard, gundy and the rest keep talking noise. All I know is its a lose lose situation here for Orlando, keep in mind the Magic just set the record for shooting percntage in a finals game ane really won by two…, if you win this game get cocky pipe off you piss off the only player in this league that plays better pissed off. Its a series now, i cant wait for thursday.

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  378. Btw, I have never heard more bias announcing from an announcer (JVG) in my life. Ok, I understand why Van wants Orlando to win, but, hes gota be a little less bias. Even Magic doesnt show too much favortism to the Lakers

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  379. The thing is, I thought we played pretty good defense, especialy in the 2nd half. Orlando was hitting some crazy shots. It seemed like we were forcing them into off balanced floaters and fade-aways all night, they were just making them. No way they hit those with the same effeciency again in these finals.
    We played pretty good tonight. Kobe, excuse me was great tonight as well. Anyone who thinks other wise just wasn’t watching. He was getting people involved, going to the basket, and played very tough defense. I just saw him kind of lose his swagger after he missed a couple of free-throws in the fourth.
    I think we should feel pretty comfortable going into next game, knowing that we will play better and the Migic can’t hit all those tough shots they made tonight.

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  380. wow Gundy is talking like they just won the championship, easy ron GUndy.

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  381. dave in hillsboro June 9, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Tough loss, though not altogether unexpected. We had a chance to win. Missed free throws definitely cost us. It’s remarkable we were even in it with the Magic shooting over 75% at the half and over 60% for the game.

    By the same token, you don’t lose many games where you shoot over 51%, but missed free throws will do that to you. Nothing to get down about.

    It’s been a long time coming for Orlando fans–they deserved to see a Finals win at home after putting away the Cavs and Celts. Still plenty of games to play.

    My pre-series prediction of Lakers in six is alive and well.

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  382. 383 I know thats the weird thing the defense was good yet they gave up 63 percent shooting, what that says to me is you just saw the best a tean could possibly play. Now, I do think that Farmar and Brown could of contained him, but Fisher gave enough tonite to justify him being out there, but if you want to shut down a point guard that guy that got zero minutes tonite is the answer, any casual idiot fan could see that.

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  383. I was talking about Alston.

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  384. Look on the bright side. The Magic played a great game, Kobe was so-so and the Magic still barely won. Although I hate to admit it, the Lakers are still in the proverbial driver’s seat.

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  385. There is no way Kobe is going to let this team turn into the Buffalo bills it will be fine.

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  386. I feel pretty good about the game. Lakers had a bad second quarter giving up 32 points. I honestly don’t think Orlando can play any better. Kobe didn’t have a great second half. No way he goes five for ten on free throws again. So, Orlando has to feel good abouot playing well and winning a game, but I am not sure that was the confidence booster they were hoping for.

    We need to keep getting the ball to Gasol more.

    My only beef with the officiating was that I feel like the refs are protecting Howard – not calling fouls on the defensive end and making some quesitonable calls for him on the offensive end. I’m sure most non-Laker fans probably feel this is the case with Kobe as well so maybe it evens out.

    Would have loved to get this game, but feel like the Lakers can take some positives away from tonight.

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  387. j. d. hastings June 9, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Magic set a finals record FG% and we lose by 4. I haven’t read the reactions here yet, but I’m not upset. Kobe can hit +5 FTs, Magic probably don’t shoot 63% again.

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  388. The Magic shot better on the floor than we did on the FT line.

    In normal situations, I think that basically means it’s a blowout, but somehow we made it close.

    I think it was our players not adjusting to the time zone differences and Orlando, still that was a good showing, and we had every chance to win (if I didn’t jinx that steal by Pietrus…).

    If anything I think this game sorta let me think that we could close this series in Orlando.

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  389. Phil just clowned a fool asking about rebounds, how you gonna get rebounds when a team is shooting seventy percent.

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  390. dave in hillsboro June 9, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    Phil: “We’re all frail as humans. Sometimes not as much as others.”

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  391. as much as i hate phil not ever playing brown, the intelligence disparity between him and van gundy is ridiculous.

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  392. Well it’s 6:22 in the morning for me, so I’m calling this night off, but tomorrow I’ll be back to see if Kurt or other of the really knowledgeable guys around here have a good analysis of the game, cause I’m not able to explain myself about the 23 3’s we took, or Tevor and Fish shooting more than Pau and Lamar…

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  393. i thought the officiating was alright, other than that one pau drive late that looked like there was a ton of contact that he converted anyways. that could have tied the game given we were down 3 at the time.

    but it evened out at the end, really. missed calls on both sides.

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  394. Meh. It’s a bit encouraging that we could hang in there even while taking the full force of their offense (although admittedly this took a 1st half of Kobe on fire as well). But if Kobe hits his normal FTs, this is a different game.

    I do feel that Kobe is passing a bit less than normal, definitely less than Denver Game 6. Of course when he’s hitting it’s beautiful, but I thought before he was picking up the other guys when they couldn’t get it going, and in the 2nd half he started pressing a bit more. Hindsight is 20-20, though.

    Maybe Nick Anderson is their good luck charm.

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  395. damn they are really making kobe out to be the goat do they want him to score eighty next game?

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  396. Mason

    There were .2 seconds left on the clock. Do you have reaction time that fast? Because I’m pretty sure no one does. Not a slap, just an annoying technical glitch. Not something to react to, or pay attention to. Prolly would have happened in LA or any other arena.

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  397. 397 we aint panicking, damn these punks are putting kobe down like hes a bum, dude only failed if you compare him to him. He made two bad plays and missed a couple more freethrows then he should have. Every prognasticator predicted the magic to win this game, so lets see game four before we jump off the bandwagon.

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  398. @392 – Agreed. You can’t be upset when the Magic made a huge percentage of tough shots the whole night.

    I’m encouraged coming out of this game because, outside of Kobe, the Lakers made shots that they’ll make again on Thursday; you can’t say the same about the Magic.

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  399. melo55

    And three rings. Don’t for get how he selfishly lead them to three titles. NEXT

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  400. By the way, does Rashard Lewis ever miss an open jumper. I mean that guy is ridiculous. Any time he gets an open jumper he makes it. If the Lakers could shoot even half of their open 3s they would have won this game in a blowout. Apart from Kobe, everyone else on the team (Fisher, Ariza, Farmar) shot 3s when they were open. Yet they only shot 25% overall.

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  401. wow if your gonna call kobe shameful please dont claim to be a laker fan. He aint my favorite laker, his faults may be his ego but that guy does things noone else can do or has ever done. Dont get it twisted getting to the finals, is impressive enough, some of the greatest players in the NBA got there once or twice. Remember this is the finals, your suppossed to lose a game or two, they lost by two. And kobe missed a play or two and a freethrow or two, lebron misses twice that turns the ball over more times in a game then kobe does in a series and then blames his teamates. Dont get it twisted. Tell me this Laker team didnt come prepared when a team shot lights out to set a record and lose by two on the road. The better team will win this series and this will be a game that will make the future of the Lakers, Farmar, Lamar and Pau or learning so much on the fly,. Keep in mind Pau made a huge mistake not calling a timeout, but mistakes happen. Kobe is a winner, and a killer, and nothing shameful in being up two to one in the finals.

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  402. message to folks blaming kobe for global warming: get a grip.

    honestly, that was a great game, well played by both squads, and orlando rode an amped up crowd, a little home cooking by the zebras, and incredibly hot shooting to the w. nothing to be ashamed or worried about there. we’ll get em in game 4, and take the series in 6.

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  403. Wow you guys are too much all you saw happen was percentages even out they shot horribly for two games and then shot lights out for one. Hence, the you cant win a SERIES by the jump shot. You can win a game or two, the Magic if they are good enough to win this series should of won this game by thirty.

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  404. Kobe played bad down the stretch…I guess every player chokes at some point, but we really cant blame it on him. Our defense wasnt good enough tonight. And yes, Lewis does not miss open jump shots….never.

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  405. Blame him all you want, but I say compare his prior poor games this playoffs with his next game, just stick to it. I was dissapointed he missed five freethrows, I get bummed when he shoots us out of it, but in a series I have learned especially when were up a game, give him a chance. He did just play the best first quarter in finals history. Take away that first quarter were down by fifteen at half.

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  406. Many claim that Kobe is the G.O.A.T. but tonight many would rather claim he is the goat. But I’m not here to argue semantics. The Lakers lost as a team, just as they win as one. Kobe kept us in the game early when Orlando was literally on fire. And when he regressed to the mean and didn’t play as well down the stretch, both teams still had their chances and Orlando took advantage of theirs. Could Kobe have played better? Of course, and he’d be the first to say so. That look he had on his face after Pietrus made that floater after the steal said it all. He knew that he made a mistake. To kill him over that or some missed FT’s (especially when he’s shooting almost 90% for the playoffs) is more than short sighted. Yes every game is extremely important, but we’re still in control and we get another chance in a day and a half. Does anyone think we won’t be ready?

    Go back and watch the tape and you’ll see missed and botched rotations (Pietrus’ follow dunk was the direct result of two players closing on the shooter and Pietrus crashing the glass with a free path). You’ll see the Magic role players convert shots that they haven’t made all series and some shots that they haven’t made on their best of nights. When SVG said at the 3rd quarter break that he couldn’t explain tonight’s performance beyond “we’re making shots”, he was completely correct. Tonight, Orlando made shots. Easy ones. Hard ones. Close ones. Far ones. Dr. Seuss himself couldn’t have written a simpler explanation of Orlando’s effectiveness. It was built on strong screens and aggressive drives. It was also built on indecision by Lakers defenders. Tonight our defense was not as sharp and the Magic offense was as sharp as Hitori Hanzo steel.

    And despite it all, we were right there. That’s what makes this game maddeningly disappointing and encouraging all at the same time. If Kobe makes some extra foul shots. If Gasol calls a timeout when he recovers that loose ball. If Orlando misses some of those looks that would win a horse match against even the best shooters. If, if, if. The fact is, tonight, Orlando played the better game. The Lakers were in it until the end because they’re a damned good team. We fought the hard fight and came up short. Good on them and us. Thursday we fight another round and we’ll see who can grab this series by the throat and claim it as their own.

    And please, let’s not talk refs. There were missed and made calls both ways. This one fell on the shoulders of the players. Orlando’s guys played with the desperation of a team on the verge of losing the Finals before they even really got going. The Lakers brought boatloads of intensity, but that boat was leaking when it came to execution. And as it’s been said by many before me, we were still one stop away from winning.

    Hold your heads high. Despite a tremendous effort from the opposition, we can still point to things that we didn’t do that could have secured victory. We’ll watch the film, we’ll make adjustments, Kobe will sustain stronger play for the entire game. These are the things that we can control. We’re going to be fine.

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  407. dave in hillsboro June 9, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    People need to chill. We’re up 2-1 in the Finals. This was the game the Magic were most likely to win. Relax and enjoy the show.

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  408. Only problem was that he didnt do what he did against denver when he was doubled and tripled, but he tends to do that when he has to. He had to against Denver I dont think Kobe feared the MAgic till this game ended, now that he has pressure on him for next game I think he will pass out of it more. Bottom line is you guys are right but you dont sound like fans. And there is no way in hell the Lakers will lose four in a row, so best case scenario for Magic is game seven at staples, I like my chances in a game seven at staples. Remember the Lake show took game three last year and they talk like the Lakers never even showed up. Your suppossed to lose game three if your up two zero in the finals all the magic proved is they arent worst team in finals history like I thought they were.

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  409. Sweeps are boring who is in a hurry to watch baseball anyways.

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  410. That was a hell of a finals game. Tough to come out on the wrong side, but I feel like Phil, smile, congratulate the Magic, make a few adjustements on the Magic P&R and move on to Game 4.

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  411. I would appreciate if my comments can be understood in the context of one game, not in the context of the season or a whole career. The offense seemed to stagnate for a while there and I put that on Kobe trying to do too much. I thought it was interesting that Phil kept Kobe on the bench a little longer then usual to start the 4th but it made sense seeing that this was when LO began to make things happen and there was much better ball movement. Kobe came in and the team O kept the pace while the D started to zone in and really make things tough for the Magic. I expected the cto bring the game home for our boys but the Magic just made some very difficult shots at the end, and that Pietrus put-back jam was huge for them.

    Others have said it but it bears repeating. Kobe makes half of the FTs he missed and it is a different game. Thems the breaks. At least Bill Simmons will feel vindicated for a day.

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  412. 412 good post, I think it was the fact we get spoiled on his clutch freethrows, he has a game like this at the line once or twice a regular season. I really liked how the lakers play tonite, honestly I thought they played better then last game. Missed freethrows are a heartbreaker, but that was the difference but its not likeKobe went up there and tried to brick em. Look give me Kobe, Ariza, Lamar, Pau, Farmar and one game lead you take Lewis, Alston and Howard I like my chances.

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  413. come on guys finals recored in shooting percentage and lose by two, you cant be that upset. Your not suppossed to lose if you set the record for percentage in shooting, you are suppossed to win by thirty.

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  414. yeah, I’m not too upset at this loss.
    we knew it was a MUST WIN for the Magic, knew it, period.
    we also knew that we could worst case, still be happy winning just 1 of 3, so really how motivated could/should we have been?
    frankly, I was surprised, very surprised, that we were as close as we were all game.
    and the fact that we actually could have won the game if, (as Darius says) if, if this/that, if, a few things went our way, we’re up 3 – 0.
    so, considering that they were in a must win, and we weren’t, and that we almost pulled it off.
    well, I’ll tell you this, if it was the other way around, I’d be nervous about the outcome of the series
    fo’ sure.

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  415. One thing positive I will take from this game is Odom’s play. That was the most assertive most offensively and defensively dominant I have ever seen him play in a Laker uni. Phil held Kobe out for an additional 5 min because of it that’s how good he was.

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  416. I haven’t posted much in this series, but have been reading the posts daily. You still have this series in control. There are a few things from this game that I would feel good about if I were a Laker fan.

    1. The Lakers showed up for this game, which they didn’t always do in earlier rounds when they were in the driver’s seat.

    2. Orlando played a very good game, and got contributions not normally received (I know Alston well and that won’t happen again in this series).

    3. Kobe had a bad 2nd half, and that is an anomoly that more than likely won’t happen again in this series. I expect that he will make up for that next game.

    4. Gasol has been better than Howard in this series. He is a much better offensive player and is playing passionately.

    You were not going to sweep this series, so relax and enjoy the remainder of it. The Lakers are playing like the team that I expected in the ealier series. It seems like they have learned the lessons from earlier in the playoffs, and will win this thing as they should.

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  417. Does the NBA have a rule on using harmless foreign objects? The clock doesn’t start until a player touches the ball, right?

    So hypothetically speaking – what if Kobe used, say, a piece of string (let’s say he plucks his drawstring from his shorts, so it’s not really a ‘foreign’ object) to catch the ball off the rim with 0.2 seconds left? Could he and Fisher (with his own drawstring) volleyball the ball up the court using the strings, without ever touching the ball, and so the clock wouldn’t be able to start? I mean if there’s no rule against it…

    Kobe’s lack of creativity is shameful. Think outside the box, man.

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  418. oh my fng god Howard just said kobe has trouble going to the rim. Wow dude you should learn to shut your mouth kobe is so gonna destroy you next game. Wow cant be that stupid.

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  419. This is a series again, great for us fans, right? more games to enjoy on the path to…

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  420. The thing I worry about, is that Orlando not only took the victory, but also saw that Kobe does miss FTs in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line.

    (that and I worry what this loss does to Kobe and his approach to the game. He may go overboard and try to redeem himself in the next game, which isn’t something we want happening, intention-wise. Result wise, yes)

    That was the one thing outside of the win that they probably took; everywhere else, this was a moral victory – if there is such a thing – for the lakers.

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  421. snoopy you must by your drugs from the same guy as me.

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  422. 148) 3Three!!! I have long been a proponent of a good pass that should be an assist make or miss. In past years when Kobe was maligned for not passing the ball more, he passed the ball its just that the Lakers could not hit a barn door with a beachball.

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  423. orlando is a 3 point favorite for game 4, looks like we got ourselves a series

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  424. Ben-

    Wait a second… Doesn’t the NBA use whistle stop devices on the ref’s whistles?

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  425. X’s and O’s wise, here are a couple of things that I saw that either really worked for them or didn’t work for us as well:

    *Orlando really varied their P&R game. Not only were the screens well set, they were set in different ways. For example, Orlando ran stagger screens for Alston with Lewis and Howard. This gave Alston more space to get into the lane, it gave Howard that extra step he needed to bull his way into the lane, and it gave Lewis more freedom to roam around the three point line as multiple Lakers defenders helped. Howard was also more effective in picking off Ariza and freeing Hedo to get to his spots easier. Earlier I mentioned that the Magic hit many difficult shots, but Hedo is a guy that does make those shots on a more consistent basis. His height and reach allow him to shoot over the top of defenders – even ones with the size of Ariza. All Hedo needs is that extra space and tonight he got it.

    *The Magic also involved Lewis more in P&R’s as the screener. This put Pau in awkward help situations and gave Lewis wide open looks. Looks that he’ll make. Orlando also screened for Lewis more off the ball. Pau is a very underrated defender, but one thing he’s going to struggle with is fighting through screens and closing on the perimeter against a player as skilled as Lewis. As a team we have to defend this better and not leave Pau on an island against a player who moves as well as Lewis.

    *With our offense, Kobe wasn’t able to establish the post for the second straight game. Lee did a great job of fronting Kobe, pushing him away from the hoop, and discouraging the entry pass. If we really want to take advantage of Kobe on the block (which I think we do), we need to find ways to get him position on the post easier. I suggest bringing him from strong to weak or setting screens for him so he can catch the ball while moving coming across the lane. I also think we need to involve Gasol earlier in the offense and then screen and move better off the ball to create looks for our other guys while also giving Pau more chances to play one on one without the full focus of the defense. He’s proven he can score on any Magic defender that guards him and his decision making will only improve the efficiency of our offense.

    *In the fourth quarter, when we went to our P&R we were effective when we spread the floor and Kobe read the defense and passed to the open man. Several times, he either hit Pau with a quick pass to the FT line area or he skipped the ball to the opposite guard. We got good looks out of this set (Pau’s drive that could have been an and-one, LO’s seal on the block and finish over Lewis, Fisher’s three pointer) and I’d like to see more of it next game. The key is the spacing and making the Magic choose between Kobe and others. They’ve shown in the first three games that they’re going to choose Kobe – make them pay more often for this choice.

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  426. Should have ran the offense through Pau down the stretch. Whether it was fatigue or simply a bad game Kobe was struggling.

    We saw it a bit last year but Kobe doesn’t finish in traffic as well as he used to and has more of a comfort zone on the perimeter and on the post as opposed to driving into the paint.

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  427. The hilarious thing about magic all of a sudden from the brink to being a contender is Kobe, Pau. Fisher Lamar may blow a game or two but sorry they aint losing four out of five. Talk all your noise Simers, I expected this to be a tough game Orlando could never play this good again and won by a couple freethrows. Good luck to you, in fact I would lay money on the Lakers to win if they were down three two in this series.

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  428. Cavaquinho-
    The mods can do whatever they like. It’s their sandbox and they are kind enough to let us play in it.

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  429. I could definitely feel that it just wasnt’ the Lakers’ night tonight. The whole game the Lakers were making good shots and getting fairly good looks. The magic were putting the Lakers into some scramble mode but the defense was very solid. There were just a few low percentage shots by the Magic that dropped in.

    Two topics to revisit… the ineptitude of SVG and the importance of Game 3. Let me put that last one another way. How confident do you feel after having lost this one vs if we would have won? And SVG, still pretty good IMHO.

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  430. The great thing about being a
    Laker fan is ten years from now we will have been to the finals four or five more times and get to hear about the times we dont win. Losers dont make the finals fifty percent of the time.

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  431. yoo – Nah, only purple and gold Kool-Aid. Non-spiked, of course.

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  432. Cavaquinho, what you posted are not correct facts as you state. If I remember correctly, last years finals was between the Lakers vs Celtics and this finals is between the Lakers vs Magic and not Kobe vs Celtics or Kobe vs Magic. Kobe was not responsible for those losses or tonights even though his play down the stretch was a little disappointing. Stop blaming Kobe.

    In any case, everyone expected Magic to win this one. It was a must win for them. They shot a record fg percentage and barely won by 4 pts. On top of that besides Kobe and Pau, the other players had an alright game. We didn’t have that 3rd/4th threat that usually results in W’s for us. Ariza was closest and the all round contribution from our role players is encouraging being that its an away game. Anyways, considering everything I think the Lakers did great in not getting blown out and almost stealing it down to the final minute.

    The positive to take away is that I think that this will motivate the Lakers to bring it even harder next game not wanting to be 2-2 and win knowing that they can. Also Magic will not shoot as well next time.

    I still say Lakers in 6, though I would be even happier if it’s in 5.

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  433. For the stats guys – are there websites where you can get boxscores with advanced metrics for each individual game?

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  434. Mason

    Good point, but then how would the clock operator have an effect? Did the guy hit a button to start the clock again .1 seconds after the whistle? Isn’t it more likely that the whistle came .2 seconds or more after the foul? It just seems like much ado about nothing.

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  435. i’ll be interested to see how the mood of this forum will be if/when the series is tied. Will it be time to panic then?

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  436. I am very pleased with the way Fish has shot the ball this series. Next game he is going to have to find a way to slow Alston down. I think for the Magic to win any more games they will need Alston to get 15-18 pts and Fish (and Farmar-who played great tonight) need to keep him out of the paint better.

    On the Turkoglu/Howard P&R the Lakers may want to start to switch that play. Hedging has forced LO into a help position on that play and even though LO is rushing out to close, Lewis only needs an inch. If we switch that play Ariza will be stuck on Howard. Ariza will have to front and Bynum/Gasol would be vulnerable on Turkoglu, but it would allow us to track Lewis and when the ball goes to Howard, we can double off someone else.

    Also-we could try to aggressivley trap Turkoglu (and Alston) and try to get some turnovers.

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  437. If the Lakers lose this series…Kobe is really gonna be criticized. I will feel sorry for him…

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  438. PeanutButterSpread June 9, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    Had a good chance to win Game 3, but didn’t come through. Knew we weren’t going to win coming into the game, but still liked that even though our offense was U-G-L-Y and Kobe was red-hot in the 1st half (not so much in the 2nd half) and Orlando shot 62% we still only lost by 2

    We had a great chance in stealing this game.

    Still, didn’t like our offense at all. Had Kobe bail us out on some really crazy shots. But even still, it was really stagnant.

    What happened to limiting our threes and driving to the hoop to get better looks for Pau and LO or jumpers for Kobe?

    Or passing the ball around instead of iso plays? There were some good moments between Pau and Kobe but then it was just too stagnant again. It was not Laker ball. credit goes to Orlando for defense but fault goes to the LA players for not moving around. The spacing was horrendous as well.

    Trevor was kinda horrendous. Didn’t like his first shot (which was a 3-pointer) and how he was doing too much iso on his own, resulted in turnovers.

    Refs were whistle happy against the Lakers. It’s been like this 2 games in a row.

    Game 4, the Lakers better start playing smarter (ie, reading the defense, doing what got them the Game 1 win, sharing the ball, better spacing, player movement, no one-on-one isos, and just defend better).

    Even though Game 4 isn’t a “must-win” for the Lakers on paper, I think it’s a HUGE must win. Have to, have to, have to. Keep putting the pressure on the Magic. Not the other way around.

    To win, the Lakers need to PASS THE FREAKING BALL TO PAU OR LO and MAKE THEIR FREAKING FREETHROWS. The end.

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  439. Lakers really needed to dump the ball to Gasol and Lamar down low during the final minutes of the game.

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  440. No one’s really talked about this…but Ariza has quietly been horrendous for the entire series.

    The Ariza we’ve been cheering for the first three rounds was:

    1) Shooting 50% from 3pt Range
    2) Playing aggressive, ball-swiping defense
    3) Making smart cuts to the basket and finishing

    The Ariza we’ve seen in the Finals:

    1) Can no longer knock down his open three pointers

    2) Is picking up a ton of fouls, but not a ton of steals

    3) Is over-handling the ball, and all of sudden, can’t finish his layups.

    This is not good.

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  441. Feed the 7 footers more please…

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  442. PeanutButterSpread June 9, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Random, but this game feels like Game 3 against UTAH in the first round.

    Had the chance to win, but couldn’t execute down the stretch.

    UTAH needed to win, played their brains out and still barely scraped out a win, same with ORLANDO.

    Looking forward to see a pissed off Pau and LO DEMAND for the ball in Game 4, because seriously, TA and Fish getting more touches is just redonkulous.

    I want to see less Kobe bail-out shots because while he was on fire in the 1st half, I think it wore him out in the 2nd half.

    Ball movement. Ball movement. Ball movement.

    Patience on offense.

    No more Sasha. I am done with the Sasha Machine experiment. He’s not getting repaired this series. Just stop playing him.

    And what happened to ShanWOW? We could use some of his threes and dunks. Phil needs to play him. I think he’d guard Nelson pretty well.

    I basically want to see a GAME 4 WIN for the Lakers. IMO, it’s a must-win for the Lakers.

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  443. dopnt matter how many games you lose bottom line lakers need to win two and they have four chances a lot better then last year. Honestly I dont root for the magic but sweeps suck, I was in hell during the Houston and Denver series, but when the Lakers stepped up and took those down it reminded me of the Laker v Houston and Lakers v Pistons of the eighties, and the Spurs Lakers battles a few years back, this is how it is suppossed to be, and even if the magic were to play three more games like tonite, the Lakers will steal one of em and the Lakers will blow them out one of the two at home so relax enjoy the ride.

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  444. Think how battle tested this squad will be next year.

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  445. Props to the Magic for taking a game. I thought they would probably win tonight, but I actually feel better about the Lakers’ chances after the game than I did before.

    If the Magic have to rely on 70% shooting, numerous KB misses at the line, and some very charitable calls (and non-calls) to squeak out a must-win game, then they are in more trouble than I thought.

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  446. Rashard Lewis was very complementary of the Lakers tonight despite the Loss he said in his post game presser that the Lakers were a tough team that fought and scrapped for wins. its nice to hear an opponent give the Lakers props when the media (even local) Is so critical of the team and Its performances even win they win. Lakers In 5

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  447. looks exactly like last year finals. except we are like boston. we played awesome in third game and still won only by 6 or 7 pts. and then came the backbreaking 4th game which we were up by 20 and lost. and that was it.
    i will call next came very critical. no more 30 pt quarters for Orlando. step up the D and we will be ok.

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  448. anybody hates adande for his dime artcile about kobe not picking up pau after the crucial steal?

    how could kobe pick up pau if pau is on his belly…or he really just want to make a big deal out of it, the usual magnification of the small things kobe does…

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  449. hi lakers i love this game.

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