Lakers/Magic Game 3 Chat

Kurt —  June 9, 2009

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Here we go. I think we all have said this may be the toughest game for the Lakers to win. It will come down a lot to defense, and I like what Zephid said:

If I were the Lakers, I’d take a big chance in Game 3 and let Dwight Howard get his in favor of staying with their shooters. As long as we can hold the rest of Orlando’s players to 40-50 points, we have a good chance of winning even if Dwight goes for 40.

If the Lakers are close after the first quarter, after the initial energy of Orlando at home, I like our chances. Let’s Go Lakers!

Kurt

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455 responses to Lakers/Magic Game 3 Chat

  1. la_resistance28 June 9, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    KOBE! Make your darn FREE THROWSSS!!

  2. Um, yeah, let’s not celebrate yet. That’s why all the other fans hate us arrogant Laker-lovers.

  3. If it takes all of Orlando’s players shooting 50%+ for them to have a 4 pt lead, I’d take it.

    60+% from the field 40+% from the 3, 70+% from the FT line, outrebound us by 6, out assist us by 7 and only lead by 4?

    wow.

  4. The Magic have attempted 14 threes? Really?

  5. Free Throws please?

  6. I guess KOBE is always sooo perfect we are surprised we he misses FTS like that – because he never does
    i guess no one is perfect

    but worst time to start missing is NOW

  7. OK HOWARD shooting better FT% than KOBE is ridiculous!!!!!

  8. all the talk of anti-LA bad calls, then a questionable one goes for them. Almost as if it hits both sides

  9. After seeing Kobe drawing up plays on the sideline with Pau, I think that was a drive-and-dish, on the replay Pau is rolling to the basket wide open. Watch for it again next time down.

  10. If Orlando wins this game it will be in part due to their amazing FT defense against Kobe.

  11. Kobe has 8 assists again. In game 2 he had 7 TOs to go with that, now he has 5 missed FTs to go with it.

  12. kobe’s only 5-10 from the line. wow if he were immaculate today, we’d be looking at a tied game or advantage lakers.

    anyhow, i feel good even with this loss if this guarantees we compete from hereon to the end. orlando got hot. we had our share but i see at least a victory in this 3-game stretch. i still want la to end it here and now though.

    all we need is a stop! before stop, kobe time!

  13. I know that probably all of you are not going to agree with me, but as great as he is ( he’s going to be one of the greatest ) today Kobe has shown that he is no Jordan.

  14. #311,
    Because Jordan never had a bad day during the playoffs…?

  15. Freeze! It’s Ariza time!

    I hope. “stole” that line to give us some mojo.

  16. I HATE PIETRUS@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  17. Kobe is KILLING us. I love you, Kobe, but man.

  18. Because Jordan never missed FTs?

  19. oops. darn my jinxing…

  20. we had it in our hands

    and for the first time – kobe pretty much lost it for us single-handedly

  21. oh man. darn

  22. 28.7 seconds, lot’s of time remaining.

  23. Careless plays and missed free throws, can’t win that way. This one is on kobe.

  24. jesus kobe you always turn it over when u split the double team, why wont u learn

  25. Not Kobe’s night

  26. Nope because Jordan never choked in a Fianl game.

  27. that was a bad play by kobe more than a good play by pietrus

    pau tried but should have called time

  28. Apparently Kobe learned nothing from game 2 of the Denver series, when he tried pretty much the exact same move, with the exact same result. Argh.

  29. LA takes a 2-1 lead. :D

  30. Live by the Kobe, die by the Kobe.

  31. All this choke talk is about 28 seconds too early.

  32. 321, selective memory there james. Kobe won us the game in OT of Game 2 when he split the double and passed to Gasol for the And1.

  33. pietrus taking a number on kobe. that should piss him off more because he lost the ball than anything else!

    when plays like this happen, the opponent usually wins. i have yet to see kobe jack up enough 3s in a row since that old kings-lakers blowout when he started hitting 3s to help the lakers catch-up. and that wasn’t end game.

    anyway, wait and see

  34. So Kobe is human after all. Who knew…

  35. la_resistance28 June 9, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    4 TOs, and 5-10 from the line… before the game, would you have thought this would be Howard’s or Kobe’s line?

  36. Love Lamar’s energy there.

  37. oh my god did you guys just SEE FNG PIETRUS asking for a double dribble. God these guys.

  38. lets all hate on Kobe now right?
    can we remember who carries on his back to get us to game 3 of the finals?

    You people are relentless…

  39. Channeling the gods of Nick Anderson….

  40. Too bad. Lakers had their chances.

  41. Basketball 101 in a close game if the ball is on the floor and you drop on it, you call timeout!!!

    That’s game!!

  42. Oh well.

  43. man i am going to be really scared for game 4

    if we let them tie it up in game 4, they have a chance to go ahead in game 5

    this was very sad- we played well and then blew it at the end , gold opportunity busted

    i hope we can play this well for 2 more on the road

  44. #338, bahzad,
    Hey now, don’t judge all of us just on one or two single posters… Kobe is human. Big surprise. Who care if “he’s no Jordan” or not?

    He’s one of the greatest to ever play this game. Enjoy the show. And watch him retaliate in the next game…

  45. i expected more of kobe than that but we played well and almost won

  46. Orlando sure can shoot.

  47. I am not hating on Kobe. But he has certainly made some critical errors in this game.

  48. That confetti has just doomed Orlando. Not tonight maybe (rare bad finish from Kobe, including bad free throws.)

    But dropping that confetti will really piss off the Lakers.

    You shot the best you have all playoffs and beat us by 2 or 4, and toss out the confetti?

    Uh huh.

  49. that’s a wrap. anyhow, not hating on kobe. he’s our man. go lakers go! i feel a game 4 win if we keep our head up high after this. not a debacle after all. orlando was bound to have this night but still this doesn’t prove much more to them than to us.

    and you know kobe’s gonna drop a number on pietrus big time after this. he knows it’s on him. he doesn’t stink twice in a row…hope not.

  50. Three, after seeing that expression on Pau’s face, I’m going to have to agree with you.

  51. Our guys played with a lot of heart tonight. We played through what could quite possibly be the hottest hot-streak ever, and we were in this game all the way till the end. Honestly, we played about the best game we could play tonight. The Magic just had one of the all-time best shooting games, and we still had a chance to win.

  52. Look, Orlando played as well as they can play and just squeaked out a win. Give them credit, but I like the way we competed tonight. We’re gonna take game 4.

  53. Orlando palyed well and 62.5% from the field will win most games.

    Kobe will be ready for game 4

  54. @ 346. The Lakers need motivation from confetti?? This is the NBA Finals for goodness sakes.

  55. Again, no one picked the Lakers to win tonight.

    They had a chance to win the game, but the gods didn’t want them to sweep ‘em.

    Never fear, LA fans, I’m going to Orlando and my “undefeated” record will help you.

  56. It’s not hating, as it’s been pointed out we live by Kobe but also we die by Kobe.

    What it’s really frustrating to me it’s that he could be as great or better than MJ, but his “hero mode” restrains him from achieving so.

    What really pisses me off, it’s having to read the Simmons and Abbots, telling everybody that he’s selfish, that a trully goat would have never missed 5 ft in a finals game…

  57. This loss does not really bother me for some strange reason.

  58. Kobe played horrible down the stretch, very unlike him. There is no way in gods green earth the magic will play that well on thursday.

  59. Kurt,get ready for the “i told you so” trolls.

  60. Birdman, already deleted a few.

  61. Bij J: Nothing motivates like a slap in the face.

    Nothing.

  62. Alright I think Lakers will win tommorow Let’s GO LAKERS.

    ” And lakers win the series 4-1and our Finals MVP is Kobe Bryant “

  63. Remember guys, it was Kobe that kept us in this game and kept this from being a total blowout.

    I mean, I don’t care, but if you let the other team shoot 60% without one, ONE player shooting below 50%, you have issues that go beyond one player.

    True enough, had Kobe been Kobe and missed just 2~3 instead of 5, this could have been ours, but we fared really well considering Lamar didn’t get himself on the box score too much.

  64. #355,
    That’s why I don’t read their columns after a game like this. I read lakers.com.

    It’s a painful, heartbreaking loss, yes, but at the same time… it’s the NBA FInals. It’s supposed to be a challenge. And to their credit, the Lakers played well, played hard, and put of up a great fight. If I was a Magic fan, I would be worried about the next two games, because this one was supposed to be the easiest one to win.

  65. We love Kobe, but let’s face it, it was too much Kobe in this game. If he shoots every possession of course he has to carry the team. We never established Lamar until the 4th quarter and Lamar delivered.

    I do not want to be a conspiracy theorist, but why exactly did Kobe miss 5 freethrows, in a championship game?

    Rewind, let’s look at the extended play of Farmar, all of a sudden he gets quality minutes when he has been unable to get off the bench no more than 5 a game. Farmar, too committed a similar turnover to Pau in the 4th quarter on a tough offensive rebound he throws the ball to the Magic, when he could have easily dribbled the ball out for a reset.

    Just looks questionable to me.

  66. 3ThreeIII

    That happens at every arena when the buzzer goes off and the home team has a lead. It’s really annoying (esp. since they do it for most if not all games) but it’s not like there was intentional.

  67. Great game tonight.
    Excellent play on both sides.
    Came down to the wire and featured players stepping up in the big moments.

    Hope the Lakers can come out in Game 4 with the same energy and effort. I can’t ask for anything less from this group. Keep your head high tonight, gentlemen. You have nothing to be ashamed of. Tip your hat to the Magic; it was their do-or-die game and they played a magnificent game.

  68. I do not agree that we played about the best game we possibly could. Our defense was responsible for the Magic’s hot shooting – it didn’t just happen by luck.

  69. Sorry I think the Lakers showed tonight that they are very focused on this championship. So focused that they could care less about confetti or any other trivial things. They didn’t disappear tonight like they have at times in these playoffs and I really like that. They really want this ring.

  70. The game is on Thursday, Mr. Ali, so they’ll have to wait until then. But I agree they will win. I stand by my guess of Lakers in 6.

  71. Ben-
    3ThreeIII is talking about how they jumped the gun with the confetti. The game was only over because the home town clock operator didn’t stop it when the whistle blew. That’s the “slap”.

    In review:
    Confetti after a victory: Whatever.
    Confetti with time remaining: Slap.

  72. Why erase my comment? Kobe WAS the reason we lost this game down the stretch.

  73. See ya in Game 4 guys.

    A loss is a loss.
    Although the Magic shot waaaaaayyyy better than LA, had more rebounds, more free throws, and more assists, LA still had a chance to win the game, and an uncharacteristic clutch performance by Kobe bailed Dwight and co.

    Take it as a stepping stone to learn from. But take this word: Orlando will lose Game 4 and 5.

  74. Kurt I do really need you here, the refering has been as awful as I think ( especially letting Howard get away with everything when pursuing the off. reb); or I’m just being a bias fan?

  75. WOW Kurt!! Delete away…

  76. 373 look at howards fouls per game prior to this series, look at his playing style and his fould per game this series, he hasnt changed his game. The reffing has changed he has gone from a guy that was leading the nba in fouls per gam and per minute to two fouls a game in twice the time on court.

  77. Quit blaming Kobe guys. He single handedly kept us in the game in the first half by scoring on so many broken plays. If not for his exceptional play in the first half this would have been a blow-out. And I do not think he took many bad shots down the stretch as well. Sometimes those shots go in and sometimes they don’t. It happens. And he has kept the Lakers in games by shooting all his free throws how many times in the last 10 years? Think about that before you start criticizing his FT shooting…

  78. it’s going to be a long 2 days when the kobe haters rise from their crypt and roam the earth.

  79. One man does not cost a team a game.

  80. I don’t think too many of us thought that the Lakers were going to sweep this series coming in, and this was always going to be a pretty tough game to win. When any team shoots 62% for the game they’re going to be tough to beat. Some of those were open looks, some of those were tough shots that just went down. I wouldn’t worry too much about the loss, but there are clearly some adjustments that can be made defensively.

  81. lets just hope howard, gundy and the rest keep talking noise. All I know is its a lose lose situation here for Orlando, keep in mind the Magic just set the record for shooting percntage in a finals game ane really won by two…, if you win this game get cocky pipe off you piss off the only player in this league that plays better pissed off. Its a series now, i cant wait for thursday.

  82. Btw, I have never heard more bias announcing from an announcer (JVG) in my life. Ok, I understand why Van wants Orlando to win, but, hes gota be a little less bias. Even Magic doesnt show too much favortism to the Lakers

  83. The thing is, I thought we played pretty good defense, especialy in the 2nd half. Orlando was hitting some crazy shots. It seemed like we were forcing them into off balanced floaters and fade-aways all night, they were just making them. No way they hit those with the same effeciency again in these finals.
    We played pretty good tonight. Kobe, excuse me was great tonight as well. Anyone who thinks other wise just wasn’t watching. He was getting people involved, going to the basket, and played very tough defense. I just saw him kind of lose his swagger after he missed a couple of free-throws in the fourth.
    I think we should feel pretty comfortable going into next game, knowing that we will play better and the Migic can’t hit all those tough shots they made tonight.

  84. wow Gundy is talking like they just won the championship, easy ron GUndy.

  85. dave in hillsboro June 9, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Tough loss, though not altogether unexpected. We had a chance to win. Missed free throws definitely cost us. It’s remarkable we were even in it with the Magic shooting over 75% at the half and over 60% for the game.

    By the same token, you don’t lose many games where you shoot over 51%, but missed free throws will do that to you. Nothing to get down about.

    It’s been a long time coming for Orlando fans–they deserved to see a Finals win at home after putting away the Cavs and Celts. Still plenty of games to play.

    My pre-series prediction of Lakers in six is alive and well.

  86. 383 I know thats the weird thing the defense was good yet they gave up 63 percent shooting, what that says to me is you just saw the best a tean could possibly play. Now, I do think that Farmar and Brown could of contained him, but Fisher gave enough tonite to justify him being out there, but if you want to shut down a point guard that guy that got zero minutes tonite is the answer, any casual idiot fan could see that.

  87. I was talking about Alston.

  88. Look on the bright side. The Magic played a great game, Kobe was so-so and the Magic still barely won. Although I hate to admit it, the Lakers are still in the proverbial driver’s seat.

  89. There is no way Kobe is going to let this team turn into the Buffalo bills it will be fine.

  90. I feel pretty good about the game. Lakers had a bad second quarter giving up 32 points. I honestly don’t think Orlando can play any better. Kobe didn’t have a great second half. No way he goes five for ten on free throws again. So, Orlando has to feel good abouot playing well and winning a game, but I am not sure that was the confidence booster they were hoping for.

    We need to keep getting the ball to Gasol more.

    My only beef with the officiating was that I feel like the refs are protecting Howard – not calling fouls on the defensive end and making some quesitonable calls for him on the offensive end. I’m sure most non-Laker fans probably feel this is the case with Kobe as well so maybe it evens out.

    Would have loved to get this game, but feel like the Lakers can take some positives away from tonight.

  91. j. d. hastings June 9, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Magic set a finals record FG% and we lose by 4. I haven’t read the reactions here yet, but I’m not upset. Kobe can hit +5 FTs, Magic probably don’t shoot 63% again.

  92. The Magic shot better on the floor than we did on the FT line.

    In normal situations, I think that basically means it’s a blowout, but somehow we made it close.

    I think it was our players not adjusting to the time zone differences and Orlando, still that was a good showing, and we had every chance to win (if I didn’t jinx that steal by Pietrus…).

    If anything I think this game sorta let me think that we could close this series in Orlando.

  93. Phil just clowned a fool asking about rebounds, how you gonna get rebounds when a team is shooting seventy percent.

  94. dave in hillsboro June 9, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    Phil: “We’re all frail as humans. Sometimes not as much as others.”

  95. as much as i hate phil not ever playing brown, the intelligence disparity between him and van gundy is ridiculous.

  96. Well it’s 6:22 in the morning for me, so I’m calling this night off, but tomorrow I’ll be back to see if Kurt or other of the really knowledgeable guys around here have a good analysis of the game, cause I’m not able to explain myself about the 23 3′s we took, or Tevor and Fish shooting more than Pau and Lamar…

  97. i thought the officiating was alright, other than that one pau drive late that looked like there was a ton of contact that he converted anyways. that could have tied the game given we were down 3 at the time.

    but it evened out at the end, really. missed calls on both sides.

  98. Meh. It’s a bit encouraging that we could hang in there even while taking the full force of their offense (although admittedly this took a 1st half of Kobe on fire as well). But if Kobe hits his normal FTs, this is a different game.

    I do feel that Kobe is passing a bit less than normal, definitely less than Denver Game 6. Of course when he’s hitting it’s beautiful, but I thought before he was picking up the other guys when they couldn’t get it going, and in the 2nd half he started pressing a bit more. Hindsight is 20-20, though.

    Maybe Nick Anderson is their good luck charm.

  99. damn they are really making kobe out to be the goat do they want him to score eighty next game?

  100. Mason

    There were .2 seconds left on the clock. Do you have reaction time that fast? Because I’m pretty sure no one does. Not a slap, just an annoying technical glitch. Not something to react to, or pay attention to. Prolly would have happened in LA or any other arena.

  101. 397 we aint panicking, damn these punks are putting kobe down like hes a bum, dude only failed if you compare him to him. He made two bad plays and missed a couple more freethrows then he should have. Every prognasticator predicted the magic to win this game, so lets see game four before we jump off the bandwagon.

  102. @392 – Agreed. You can’t be upset when the Magic made a huge percentage of tough shots the whole night.

    I’m encouraged coming out of this game because, outside of Kobe, the Lakers made shots that they’ll make again on Thursday; you can’t say the same about the Magic.

  103. melo55

    And three rings. Don’t for get how he selfishly lead them to three titles. NEXT

  104. By the way, does Rashard Lewis ever miss an open jumper. I mean that guy is ridiculous. Any time he gets an open jumper he makes it. If the Lakers could shoot even half of their open 3s they would have won this game in a blowout. Apart from Kobe, everyone else on the team (Fisher, Ariza, Farmar) shot 3s when they were open. Yet they only shot 25% overall.

  105. wow if your gonna call kobe shameful please dont claim to be a laker fan. He aint my favorite laker, his faults may be his ego but that guy does things noone else can do or has ever done. Dont get it twisted getting to the finals, is impressive enough, some of the greatest players in the NBA got there once or twice. Remember this is the finals, your suppossed to lose a game or two, they lost by two. And kobe missed a play or two and a freethrow or two, lebron misses twice that turns the ball over more times in a game then kobe does in a series and then blames his teamates. Dont get it twisted. Tell me this Laker team didnt come prepared when a team shot lights out to set a record and lose by two on the road. The better team will win this series and this will be a game that will make the future of the Lakers, Farmar, Lamar and Pau or learning so much on the fly,. Keep in mind Pau made a huge mistake not calling a timeout, but mistakes happen. Kobe is a winner, and a killer, and nothing shameful in being up two to one in the finals.

  106. message to folks blaming kobe for global warming: get a grip.

    honestly, that was a great game, well played by both squads, and orlando rode an amped up crowd, a little home cooking by the zebras, and incredibly hot shooting to the w. nothing to be ashamed or worried about there. we’ll get em in game 4, and take the series in 6.

  107. Wow you guys are too much all you saw happen was percentages even out they shot horribly for two games and then shot lights out for one. Hence, the you cant win a SERIES by the jump shot. You can win a game or two, the Magic if they are good enough to win this series should of won this game by thirty.

  108. Kobe played bad down the stretch…I guess every player chokes at some point, but we really cant blame it on him. Our defense wasnt good enough tonight. And yes, Lewis does not miss open jump shots….never.

  109. Blame him all you want, but I say compare his prior poor games this playoffs with his next game, just stick to it. I was dissapointed he missed five freethrows, I get bummed when he shoots us out of it, but in a series I have learned especially when were up a game, give him a chance. He did just play the best first quarter in finals history. Take away that first quarter were down by fifteen at half.

  110. Many claim that Kobe is the G.O.A.T. but tonight many would rather claim he is the goat. But I’m not here to argue semantics. The Lakers lost as a team, just as they win as one. Kobe kept us in the game early when Orlando was literally on fire. And when he regressed to the mean and didn’t play as well down the stretch, both teams still had their chances and Orlando took advantage of theirs. Could Kobe have played better? Of course, and he’d be the first to say so. That look he had on his face after Pietrus made that floater after the steal said it all. He knew that he made a mistake. To kill him over that or some missed FT’s (especially when he’s shooting almost 90% for the playoffs) is more than short sighted. Yes every game is extremely important, but we’re still in control and we get another chance in a day and a half. Does anyone think we won’t be ready?

    Go back and watch the tape and you’ll see missed and botched rotations (Pietrus’ follow dunk was the direct result of two players closing on the shooter and Pietrus crashing the glass with a free path). You’ll see the Magic role players convert shots that they haven’t made all series and some shots that they haven’t made on their best of nights. When SVG said at the 3rd quarter break that he couldn’t explain tonight’s performance beyond “we’re making shots”, he was completely correct. Tonight, Orlando made shots. Easy ones. Hard ones. Close ones. Far ones. Dr. Seuss himself couldn’t have written a simpler explanation of Orlando’s effectiveness. It was built on strong screens and aggressive drives. It was also built on indecision by Lakers defenders. Tonight our defense was not as sharp and the Magic offense was as sharp as Hitori Hanzo steel.

    And despite it all, we were right there. That’s what makes this game maddeningly disappointing and encouraging all at the same time. If Kobe makes some extra foul shots. If Gasol calls a timeout when he recovers that loose ball. If Orlando misses some of those looks that would win a horse match against even the best shooters. If, if, if. The fact is, tonight, Orlando played the better game. The Lakers were in it until the end because they’re a damned good team. We fought the hard fight and came up short. Good on them and us. Thursday we fight another round and we’ll see who can grab this series by the throat and claim it as their own.

    And please, let’s not talk refs. There were missed and made calls both ways. This one fell on the shoulders of the players. Orlando’s guys played with the desperation of a team on the verge of losing the Finals before they even really got going. The Lakers brought boatloads of intensity, but that boat was leaking when it came to execution. And as it’s been said by many before me, we were still one stop away from winning.

    Hold your heads high. Despite a tremendous effort from the opposition, we can still point to things that we didn’t do that could have secured victory. We’ll watch the film, we’ll make adjustments, Kobe will sustain stronger play for the entire game. These are the things that we can control. We’re going to be fine.

  111. dave in hillsboro June 9, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    People need to chill. We’re up 2-1 in the Finals. This was the game the Magic were most likely to win. Relax and enjoy the show.

  112. Only problem was that he didnt do what he did against denver when he was doubled and tripled, but he tends to do that when he has to. He had to against Denver I dont think Kobe feared the MAgic till this game ended, now that he has pressure on him for next game I think he will pass out of it more. Bottom line is you guys are right but you dont sound like fans. And there is no way in hell the Lakers will lose four in a row, so best case scenario for Magic is game seven at staples, I like my chances in a game seven at staples. Remember the Lake show took game three last year and they talk like the Lakers never even showed up. Your suppossed to lose game three if your up two zero in the finals all the magic proved is they arent worst team in finals history like I thought they were.

  113. Sweeps are boring who is in a hurry to watch baseball anyways.

  114. That was a hell of a finals game. Tough to come out on the wrong side, but I feel like Phil, smile, congratulate the Magic, make a few adjustements on the Magic P&R and move on to Game 4.

  115. I would appreciate if my comments can be understood in the context of one game, not in the context of the season or a whole career. The offense seemed to stagnate for a while there and I put that on Kobe trying to do too much. I thought it was interesting that Phil kept Kobe on the bench a little longer then usual to start the 4th but it made sense seeing that this was when LO began to make things happen and there was much better ball movement. Kobe came in and the team O kept the pace while the D started to zone in and really make things tough for the Magic. I expected the cto bring the game home for our boys but the Magic just made some very difficult shots at the end, and that Pietrus put-back jam was huge for them.

    Others have said it but it bears repeating. Kobe makes half of the FTs he missed and it is a different game. Thems the breaks. At least Bill Simmons will feel vindicated for a day.

  116. 412 good post, I think it was the fact we get spoiled on his clutch freethrows, he has a game like this at the line once or twice a regular season. I really liked how the lakers play tonite, honestly I thought they played better then last game. Missed freethrows are a heartbreaker, but that was the difference but its not likeKobe went up there and tried to brick em. Look give me Kobe, Ariza, Lamar, Pau, Farmar and one game lead you take Lewis, Alston and Howard I like my chances.

  117. come on guys finals recored in shooting percentage and lose by two, you cant be that upset. Your not suppossed to lose if you set the record for percentage in shooting, you are suppossed to win by thirty.

  118. yeah, I’m not too upset at this loss.
    we knew it was a MUST WIN for the Magic, knew it, period.
    we also knew that we could worst case, still be happy winning just 1 of 3, so really how motivated could/should we have been?
    frankly, I was surprised, very surprised, that we were as close as we were all game.
    and the fact that we actually could have won the game if, (as Darius says) if, if this/that, if, a few things went our way, we’re up 3 – 0.
    so, considering that they were in a must win, and we weren’t, and that we almost pulled it off.
    well, I’ll tell you this, if it was the other way around, I’d be nervous about the outcome of the series
    fo’ sure.

  119. One thing positive I will take from this game is Odom’s play. That was the most assertive most offensively and defensively dominant I have ever seen him play in a Laker uni. Phil held Kobe out for an additional 5 min because of it that’s how good he was.

  120. I haven’t posted much in this series, but have been reading the posts daily. You still have this series in control. There are a few things from this game that I would feel good about if I were a Laker fan.

    1. The Lakers showed up for this game, which they didn’t always do in earlier rounds when they were in the driver’s seat.

    2. Orlando played a very good game, and got contributions not normally received (I know Alston well and that won’t happen again in this series).

    3. Kobe had a bad 2nd half, and that is an anomoly that more than likely won’t happen again in this series. I expect that he will make up for that next game.

    4. Gasol has been better than Howard in this series. He is a much better offensive player and is playing passionately.

    You were not going to sweep this series, so relax and enjoy the remainder of it. The Lakers are playing like the team that I expected in the ealier series. It seems like they have learned the lessons from earlier in the playoffs, and will win this thing as they should.

  121. Does the NBA have a rule on using harmless foreign objects? The clock doesn’t start until a player touches the ball, right?

    So hypothetically speaking – what if Kobe used, say, a piece of string (let’s say he plucks his drawstring from his shorts, so it’s not really a ‘foreign’ object) to catch the ball off the rim with 0.2 seconds left? Could he and Fisher (with his own drawstring) volleyball the ball up the court using the strings, without ever touching the ball, and so the clock wouldn’t be able to start? I mean if there’s no rule against it…

    Kobe’s lack of creativity is shameful. Think outside the box, man.

  122. oh my fng god Howard just said kobe has trouble going to the rim. Wow dude you should learn to shut your mouth kobe is so gonna destroy you next game. Wow cant be that stupid.

  123. This is a series again, great for us fans, right? more games to enjoy on the path to…

  124. The thing I worry about, is that Orlando not only took the victory, but also saw that Kobe does miss FTs in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line.

    (that and I worry what this loss does to Kobe and his approach to the game. He may go overboard and try to redeem himself in the next game, which isn’t something we want happening, intention-wise. Result wise, yes)

    That was the one thing outside of the win that they probably took; everywhere else, this was a moral victory – if there is such a thing – for the lakers.

  125. snoopy you must by your drugs from the same guy as me.

  126. 148) 3Three!!! I have long been a proponent of a good pass that should be an assist make or miss. In past years when Kobe was maligned for not passing the ball more, he passed the ball its just that the Lakers could not hit a barn door with a beachball.

  127. orlando is a 3 point favorite for game 4, looks like we got ourselves a series

  128. Ben-

    Wait a second… Doesn’t the NBA use whistle stop devices on the ref’s whistles?

  129. X’s and O’s wise, here are a couple of things that I saw that either really worked for them or didn’t work for us as well:

    *Orlando really varied their P&R game. Not only were the screens well set, they were set in different ways. For example, Orlando ran stagger screens for Alston with Lewis and Howard. This gave Alston more space to get into the lane, it gave Howard that extra step he needed to bull his way into the lane, and it gave Lewis more freedom to roam around the three point line as multiple Lakers defenders helped. Howard was also more effective in picking off Ariza and freeing Hedo to get to his spots easier. Earlier I mentioned that the Magic hit many difficult shots, but Hedo is a guy that does make those shots on a more consistent basis. His height and reach allow him to shoot over the top of defenders – even ones with the size of Ariza. All Hedo needs is that extra space and tonight he got it.

    *The Magic also involved Lewis more in P&R’s as the screener. This put Pau in awkward help situations and gave Lewis wide open looks. Looks that he’ll make. Orlando also screened for Lewis more off the ball. Pau is a very underrated defender, but one thing he’s going to struggle with is fighting through screens and closing on the perimeter against a player as skilled as Lewis. As a team we have to defend this better and not leave Pau on an island against a player who moves as well as Lewis.

    *With our offense, Kobe wasn’t able to establish the post for the second straight game. Lee did a great job of fronting Kobe, pushing him away from the hoop, and discouraging the entry pass. If we really want to take advantage of Kobe on the block (which I think we do), we need to find ways to get him position on the post easier. I suggest bringing him from strong to weak or setting screens for him so he can catch the ball while moving coming across the lane. I also think we need to involve Gasol earlier in the offense and then screen and move better off the ball to create looks for our other guys while also giving Pau more chances to play one on one without the full focus of the defense. He’s proven he can score on any Magic defender that guards him and his decision making will only improve the efficiency of our offense.

    *In the fourth quarter, when we went to our P&R we were effective when we spread the floor and Kobe read the defense and passed to the open man. Several times, he either hit Pau with a quick pass to the FT line area or he skipped the ball to the opposite guard. We got good looks out of this set (Pau’s drive that could have been an and-one, LO’s seal on the block and finish over Lewis, Fisher’s three pointer) and I’d like to see more of it next game. The key is the spacing and making the Magic choose between Kobe and others. They’ve shown in the first three games that they’re going to choose Kobe – make them pay more often for this choice.

  130. Should have ran the offense through Pau down the stretch. Whether it was fatigue or simply a bad game Kobe was struggling.

    We saw it a bit last year but Kobe doesn’t finish in traffic as well as he used to and has more of a comfort zone on the perimeter and on the post as opposed to driving into the paint.

  131. The hilarious thing about magic all of a sudden from the brink to being a contender is Kobe, Pau. Fisher Lamar may blow a game or two but sorry they aint losing four out of five. Talk all your noise Simers, I expected this to be a tough game Orlando could never play this good again and won by a couple freethrows. Good luck to you, in fact I would lay money on the Lakers to win if they were down three two in this series.

  132. Cavaquinho-
    The mods can do whatever they like. It’s their sandbox and they are kind enough to let us play in it.

  133. I could definitely feel that it just wasnt’ the Lakers’ night tonight. The whole game the Lakers were making good shots and getting fairly good looks. The magic were putting the Lakers into some scramble mode but the defense was very solid. There were just a few low percentage shots by the Magic that dropped in.

    Two topics to revisit… the ineptitude of SVG and the importance of Game 3. Let me put that last one another way. How confident do you feel after having lost this one vs if we would have won? And SVG, still pretty good IMHO.

  134. The great thing about being a
    Laker fan is ten years from now we will have been to the finals four or five more times and get to hear about the times we dont win. Losers dont make the finals fifty percent of the time.

  135. yoo – Nah, only purple and gold Kool-Aid. Non-spiked, of course.

  136. Cavaquinho, what you posted are not correct facts as you state. If I remember correctly, last years finals was between the Lakers vs Celtics and this finals is between the Lakers vs Magic and not Kobe vs Celtics or Kobe vs Magic. Kobe was not responsible for those losses or tonights even though his play down the stretch was a little disappointing. Stop blaming Kobe.

    In any case, everyone expected Magic to win this one. It was a must win for them. They shot a record fg percentage and barely won by 4 pts. On top of that besides Kobe and Pau, the other players had an alright game. We didn’t have that 3rd/4th threat that usually results in W’s for us. Ariza was closest and the all round contribution from our role players is encouraging being that its an away game. Anyways, considering everything I think the Lakers did great in not getting blown out and almost stealing it down to the final minute.

    The positive to take away is that I think that this will motivate the Lakers to bring it even harder next game not wanting to be 2-2 and win knowing that they can. Also Magic will not shoot as well next time.

    I still say Lakers in 6, though I would be even happier if it’s in 5.

  137. For the stats guys – are there websites where you can get boxscores with advanced metrics for each individual game?

  138. Mason

    Good point, but then how would the clock operator have an effect? Did the guy hit a button to start the clock again .1 seconds after the whistle? Isn’t it more likely that the whistle came .2 seconds or more after the foul? It just seems like much ado about nothing.

  139. i’ll be interested to see how the mood of this forum will be if/when the series is tied. Will it be time to panic then?

  140. I am very pleased with the way Fish has shot the ball this series. Next game he is going to have to find a way to slow Alston down. I think for the Magic to win any more games they will need Alston to get 15-18 pts and Fish (and Farmar-who played great tonight) need to keep him out of the paint better.

    On the Turkoglu/Howard P&R the Lakers may want to start to switch that play. Hedging has forced LO into a help position on that play and even though LO is rushing out to close, Lewis only needs an inch. If we switch that play Ariza will be stuck on Howard. Ariza will have to front and Bynum/Gasol would be vulnerable on Turkoglu, but it would allow us to track Lewis and when the ball goes to Howard, we can double off someone else.

    Also-we could try to aggressivley trap Turkoglu (and Alston) and try to get some turnovers.

  141. If the Lakers lose this series…Kobe is really gonna be criticized. I will feel sorry for him…

  142. PeanutButterSpread June 9, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    Had a good chance to win Game 3, but didn’t come through. Knew we weren’t going to win coming into the game, but still liked that even though our offense was U-G-L-Y and Kobe was red-hot in the 1st half (not so much in the 2nd half) and Orlando shot 62% we still only lost by 2

    We had a great chance in stealing this game.

    Still, didn’t like our offense at all. Had Kobe bail us out on some really crazy shots. But even still, it was really stagnant.

    What happened to limiting our threes and driving to the hoop to get better looks for Pau and LO or jumpers for Kobe?

    Or passing the ball around instead of iso plays? There were some good moments between Pau and Kobe but then it was just too stagnant again. It was not Laker ball. credit goes to Orlando for defense but fault goes to the LA players for not moving around. The spacing was horrendous as well.

    Trevor was kinda horrendous. Didn’t like his first shot (which was a 3-pointer) and how he was doing too much iso on his own, resulted in turnovers.

    Refs were whistle happy against the Lakers. It’s been like this 2 games in a row.

    Game 4, the Lakers better start playing smarter (ie, reading the defense, doing what got them the Game 1 win, sharing the ball, better spacing, player movement, no one-on-one isos, and just defend better).

    Even though Game 4 isn’t a “must-win” for the Lakers on paper, I think it’s a HUGE must win. Have to, have to, have to. Keep putting the pressure on the Magic. Not the other way around.

    To win, the Lakers need to PASS THE FREAKING BALL TO PAU OR LO and MAKE THEIR FREAKING FREETHROWS. The end.

  143. Lakers really needed to dump the ball to Gasol and Lamar down low during the final minutes of the game.

  144. No one’s really talked about this…but Ariza has quietly been horrendous for the entire series.

    The Ariza we’ve been cheering for the first three rounds was:

    1) Shooting 50% from 3pt Range
    2) Playing aggressive, ball-swiping defense
    3) Making smart cuts to the basket and finishing

    The Ariza we’ve seen in the Finals:

    1) Can no longer knock down his open three pointers

    2) Is picking up a ton of fouls, but not a ton of steals

    3) Is over-handling the ball, and all of sudden, can’t finish his layups.

    This is not good.

  145. Feed the 7 footers more please…

  146. PeanutButterSpread June 9, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Random, but this game feels like Game 3 against UTAH in the first round.

    Had the chance to win, but couldn’t execute down the stretch.

    UTAH needed to win, played their brains out and still barely scraped out a win, same with ORLANDO.

    Looking forward to see a pissed off Pau and LO DEMAND for the ball in Game 4, because seriously, TA and Fish getting more touches is just redonkulous.

    I want to see less Kobe bail-out shots because while he was on fire in the 1st half, I think it wore him out in the 2nd half.

    Ball movement. Ball movement. Ball movement.

    Patience on offense.

    No more Sasha. I am done with the Sasha Machine experiment. He’s not getting repaired this series. Just stop playing him.

    And what happened to ShanWOW? We could use some of his threes and dunks. Phil needs to play him. I think he’d guard Nelson pretty well.

    I basically want to see a GAME 4 WIN for the Lakers. IMO, it’s a must-win for the Lakers.

  147. dopnt matter how many games you lose bottom line lakers need to win two and they have four chances a lot better then last year. Honestly I dont root for the magic but sweeps suck, I was in hell during the Houston and Denver series, but when the Lakers stepped up and took those down it reminded me of the Laker v Houston and Lakers v Pistons of the eighties, and the Spurs Lakers battles a few years back, this is how it is suppossed to be, and even if the magic were to play three more games like tonite, the Lakers will steal one of em and the Lakers will blow them out one of the two at home so relax enjoy the ride.

  148. Think how battle tested this squad will be next year.

  149. Props to the Magic for taking a game. I thought they would probably win tonight, but I actually feel better about the Lakers’ chances after the game than I did before.

    If the Magic have to rely on 70% shooting, numerous KB misses at the line, and some very charitable calls (and non-calls) to squeak out a must-win game, then they are in more trouble than I thought.

  150. Rashard Lewis was very complementary of the Lakers tonight despite the Loss he said in his post game presser that the Lakers were a tough team that fought and scrapped for wins. its nice to hear an opponent give the Lakers props when the media (even local) Is so critical of the team and Its performances even win they win. Lakers In 5

  151. looks exactly like last year finals. except we are like boston. we played awesome in third game and still won only by 6 or 7 pts. and then came the backbreaking 4th game which we were up by 20 and lost. and that was it.
    i will call next came very critical. no more 30 pt quarters for Orlando. step up the D and we will be ok.

  152. anybody hates adande for his dime artcile about kobe not picking up pau after the crucial steal?

    how could kobe pick up pau if pau is on his belly…or he really just want to make a big deal out of it, the usual magnification of the small things kobe does…

  153. hi lakers i love this game.