If you look at some of the raw numbers, Lou Williams played well last year. He had a PER of 17.7. He hit 34.4% of his 3 pointers and got to the foul line a ton. As a key rotation player who split time as a starter and reserve, Williams was the team’s 3rd leading scorer, was their 2nd best shooter based on true shooting percentage. Ultimately, he played exactly how one would expect Lou Williams to play. For the $7 million the Lakers paid him, I’d say he represented decent value.
All of the above is not all there is to consider with Williams, however. He does not play good defense. He has a tendency to highjack possessions, dribbling a lot and either looking for his own shot or looking to draw a foul. He had the third highest usage rate on the team and played more point guard than I imagined he would when he was first signed.
Don’t get me wrong, these are all things you can live with. In fact, when you have Williams on your team, these are the things you will have to live with. They are hallmarks of his game. Normally the trade off between what he brings offensively and how he goes about providing those things tilts enough in his favor where he can be viewed as a net positive. Last year that was mostly the case, though I know fans would have preferred to have seen some of his minutes go to D’Angelo Russell or Jordan Clarkson. That’s a coaching decision, however, and not the player’s.
Which brings us to this season. The Lakers have a new coach. They are expecting — or at least they should be — for D’Angelo Russell to make a big leap forward in his 2nd season. They also just signed Jordan Clarkson to a 4 year/$50 million contract. And then, of course, they drafted Brandon Ingram, signed Luol Deng in free agency, traded for Jose Calderon, and re-upped Marcelo Huertas. Suddenly, the backcourt and wing are much more crowded than they were when the season ended and Kobe Bryant retired.
This begs the question — where does Lou Williams fit? Honestly, I am having a hard time answering this question.
The things Williams does well are needed on every team. Look at most every contender (non-Warriors division) and they have a similar player to Lou. A guy who gets buckets; a guy can get hot enough to carry the offense for a stretch. Williams could easily be that player for the Lakers next year. He could play behind Clarkson, get his shots up, draw some fouls, get to the line, and average 10-12 points a night.
The thing is, though, I wonder if these Lakers really need that. With the current roster construction, an argument could be made that the Lakers should simply be playing Clarkson and Russell 30-35 minutes a night. Then, with the remaining backcourt minutes, maybe get Ingram a few minutes at SG and then play a combination of Huertas and Calderon at PG to be facilitators who help the other ball-needy players on the team shots.
After all, this team will still have Randle, Ingram, and Deng as medium to high usage players who need the ball too. Add in Nance and Mozgov (both finishers who will need setting up), and using guards who move the ball more freely and look to set up teammates rather than score have real value. Williams is more likely to take shots away from those players than to help get them the ball the way that Calderon or Huertas would.
This is nothing against Williams. He’s a fine scoring guard. I even think in an offense which focuses more on ball and player movement, he would be a better passer than he showed last year. But a tiger doesn’t change his stripes. Williams has made his career on getting buckets and to think some radical shift is coming would be silly. It’d be one thing if he was a strong defender who was impacting the game on the other end of the floor, but he’s not.
In an ideal world, the Lakers would be complementing their current young guards with a lower usage, three point shooting, defensive ace. Because what Clarkson and Russell need most is a player who works off of their strengths while helping to cover for their weaknesses. In a way, Williams does the opposite. While he can play off them as as shooter, he’s also likely to use possessions at too high a rate and not be able to defend effectively enough to shift them off of the tougher assignments.
With all that, I go back to wondering where Lou fits on this team. I could easily see him playing the role Barbosa/Ian Clark played for the Warriors last season. But neither of those guys played 70 games and neither came close to averaging 20 minutes a night. Lou hasn’t played under 23 mpg since his 2nd season. And while it’s one thing for a guy to sacrifice minutes on a winning team while sitting behind all-stars, it’s another to do so for a team that projects to win under 40 games while developing young players at your position.
I’m not saying Williams should be traded or that he has to go. My guess is that he plays the same role he has the rest of his career and that Walton finds ways to get him on the floor to play his game. But the fit isn’t as clean as it was last year and that fit already wasn’t ideal. This is something worth keeping an eye on.
wwlofficial says
In trying to answer this question, I first examine how “I” would coach this team and distribute the minutes to fulfil my objectives. Let us also enumerate our top priorities this season and then put them into order then we can distribute the minutes properly.
Objectives:
1. Develop young talent. This means Russell, Clarkson, Ingram, Randle, Nance need to be developed into starters. That includes 28+ minutes, playing during start and crunchtime of games.
2. Use the veterans to lead the young team into difficult situations, those that require the experience and guile of players that have been in the league for a long time, and have seen many scenarios play out. Play them enough to get the most of them, but also to bring out the best of the youngsters.
3. Establish a core of players that you invest in from now until the future. That means, assessing each youngster who do we keep on the foreseeable long-term future, and who we consider moving for other pieces.
4. Add assets to the team by using resources wisely. We did this by bringing in Calderon and 2 2nd round picks. Our resumé for picking 2nd rounders has been astounding lately.
5. Win as many games as possible, the right way, with the kids at the helm. Let them learn at the cost of losing some games. Let them feel the heartbreak so they know how bad it feels to lose.
As Craig W. brilliantly put it some posts ago, we need to be patient and be willing to lose games for the kids to grow. We, as fans, need to realize we are nowhere near a contender right now, let alone a playoff team, to be holding on and nitpicking every game for wins or losses. The prime objective at this point is to learn, grow and develop. Sometimes it takes longer, so a little more patience is required. In doing so, the team also needs to consider that GSW and CLE are swapping the next 3 championships. So trading for Butler or Cousins (oh God please no) and Westbrook is only sacrificing the future for nothing.
Therefore, ME as the coach, would try to play it this way:
5: Mozgov (28) – Black (14) – Zubac (6)
4: Randle (28) – Nance (14) – Deng (6)
3: Deng (20) – Ingram (28)
2: Clarkson (32) – Williams (16)
1: Russell (35) – Calderon (13)
This is a standard 10-man rotation with Zubac getting learning time from DL and in some games. Ideally, you need to increase Deng’s minutes at the stretch-4, but at whose expense?
In terms of contracts, it would make no sense to sign Mozgov and Deng if they didn’t play 28mpg a night. Lou Williams was slotted as the 6th man so he can still fill that role if/when we decide to drop Calderon from the rotation.
There’s still Huertas who deserves some burn.
Optimal Lineup (offense):
Mozgov – Deng – Ingram – Clarkson – Russell (spacing will be beautiful)
Optimal Bench:
Black – Randle – Nance – Williams – Calderon (spacing issues abound)
I guess you cannot value each piece correctly without seeing them play beside each other yet. But as of July of 2016, this is how Coach WWL would plan their minutes.
new rr says
The fit wasn’t clean last year, either, which is why I
ultimately opposed bringing Williams in, and thought that his main value even
then was as a trade chip. Walton is obviously smart enough to know—and has
already said—that you have to adjust what you are doing to your players’
strengths. But I think we can also see a “Warriors-Very-Lite” thing happening
with the Lakers’ personnel. Defenders of the Mozgov deal have focused on two arguments:
culture/mentoring and Mozgov=Bogut. Similarly,
Deng, Randle, Nance and Ingram are all guys who could theoretically play
multiple positions and who could play together in a Death-Very-Lite lineup.
And, as we see with Golden State, a lot of the offensive firepower on the
Lakers will presumably come from the guards.
So, in that context the closest parallel, is, as noted Barbosa
(I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago).
jobeeeeeeem says
It is a good problem to have as a coach. But as mentioned, guards and wings are already loaded. Mind you guys, Young is still with the team. Lol
If Luke really wants to develop young players, I would put Deng on the bench. DLo, JC, Ingram, Randle and Mozgov as the starters. Deng would be the 6th man. I don’t think Mozgov will play 30 minutes a night not unless teams they play against are not Warriors-like team. So Deng can either play 3 or 4 and Nance 4 or 5 with Randle as the small ball line up.
Tarik will get his chance. Zu might, but a long shot not unless someone gets injured (knock on wood) or someone struggles badly. Calderon and Huertas will battle it out. Lou as much as I like him as a scorer, he is a good trade asset with his contract and his play last year (he needs to get on the court ASAP instead of promoting parties etc lol). Lastly.. Young. Dude is a mess.. Hopefully he bounce back so we can trade him even for a second round pick and a filler. He needs a new surrounding. Him and Russell won’t be on the same page for sure.
Future is bright. With KD or not. With Westbrook or not.
Go Lakers!!
Alexander_ says
Lou took a very strong stance against DAR on the video incident, and I don’t think it’s been resolved between them. Calderon was a fortunate addition for us, as he is statistically similar to Lou, actually slightly better across the entire stat line, and a more natural setup player. Lou’s also a $7m hit on next year’s cap. If those three facts don’t spell expendable, I don’t know what is. I’ve been expecting for the FO to quietly shop Lou once the FA dust settles for any expiring contract with a pulse or a low value pick. He’s a decent player, he too deserves better than being potentially the 4th or 5th guard on a rebuilding team.
Vasheed says
Lou is offense in a bottle. I think he would make a lot of sense in a second unit with mostly defensive guys. Thinking Brown, Nance, maybe Zubac? and after that I’m stumped… Williams should be traded. The Lakers can’t fully utilize him but, he is good enough that they shouldn’t trade him for the sake of trading him.
wwlofficial says
I heard the Nets want to win and make the playoffs… and they don’t have a SG.
Clay Bertrand says
new rr
“…Deng, Randle, Nance and Ingram are all guys who could theoretically play multiple positions and who could play together in a Death-Very-Lite lineup.”
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LOL…..I agree with your seeing Luke trying to sort of assemble a Warriors like roster. Warrior Lite is funny. But the “Death-Very-Lite lineup” is the best!!!! Reminds me of the Princess Bride……”MOSTLY DEAD”……… Maybe we can have a MOSTLY DEATH line up??? Lol.
I still think Lou could be moved this year. I didn’t think it was realistic for teams to trade for him last year but this year I think he could be moved. I hate this saying but in Lou’s case, he IS WHAT HE IS.
J C hoops says
wwlofficial
nice post. i agree w your minutes analysis except i expect Deng to play 24 min at the 3, plus your 6 as a 4, for a total of 30…i don’t see Ingram getting more than 24 min per game in his first year.
Your lineup completely omits Young which may be accurate but I still find amusing anyway.
Another topic: Sadly despite a great off season in most respects i hear many pundits trashing the Mozgov contract. A lot of guys got overpaid this summer. Is it possible we misread his value? Just because the amount looks high, or someone else wouldn’t have paid that amount, doesn’t mean it wasn’t a decent move for our team. They must like the guy. My larger concern for Moz is his health. Can he play 75 games this year at 28 minutes per night?
Clay Bertrand says
Vasheed
“…Williams should be traded. The Lakers can’t fully utilize him but, he is good enough that they shouldn’t trade him for the sake of trading him.”
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That statement NutShells Lou’s situation perfectly IMO. He HAS use but his use would be more valuable elsewhere perhaps. That said, he ain’t chopped liver and a team so void of veteran talent can’t be so quick to jettison the few they DO have that are effective at something.
I have already posted that I think Lou is a more prime candidate to get moved THIS year than I thought he was last year. If he’s on the roster opening day which is likely, he could be moved in December or at the deadline. I say its high odds he gets moved this season. Just my gut feeling.
Runningstrong615 says
Seeing that the Lakers only won 17 games last season, there will be plenty of opportunities where they will be trailing and need instant offense off the bench. Lou at least brings that to the table. I also think with the current roster construction we’re going to be seeing a fair share of small ball line-ups vs a traditional line-up, which to Luke’s comments should play to the team’s strengths. I do expect and actually looking forward to seeing 3 to 4 of the guards on the court at the same time, particularly when the pace needs to be pushed or when the team is trailing.
RobertBass says
Whatttt ???? So less vets we need vets like Williams
J C hoops says
A Princess Bride reference! Awesome. We don’t get enough of those here. Or anywhere else for that matter. Let’s hope our franchise was only Mostly Dead the last three years.
140ChrViolation says
J C hoops I like the idea of Mostly Dead Lineup, but thats because I believe in Truuu Luuuv
rafisher1 says
wwlofficial As usual Anthony brown gets left out. Good defender and his shot will return.
Here is my shot at lineups to start the year PG, SG, SF, PF, C
I know you can’t have three units getting enough playing time, but hey, this is fun to do during the off season!
Starters – Russell, Clarkson, Deng, Randle, Mozgov – MozGov & Deng are starting, so this is pretty much a lock.
Second
unit – Huertas, Ingram (SG), Brown, Nance, Zubac – the kids like
playing with Huertas, so they will get their experience while starting
Ingram at SG. This is the sink or swim group.
3rd
unit – Calderon, Williams, Young, Black, Mozgov – Black and Mozgov can
P&R with Calderon finding them or kicking to Williams or Young on
the perimeter. This is the vets to show them how it is done instant
offense group.
Clay Bertrand says
140ChrViolation J C hoops
Truuu Luuuuv???? I think you mean TOO BLAVE!! Lol……. Me?? I don’t believe in TOO BLAVE and I certainly don’t believe in MAWWAGE……
MAWAAGE IS WHAT BWINGS US TOGEVAAA TOODAY. Lol
This thread could get crazy now…….
rafisher1 says
Regarding Williams, if you are going to develop the kids, playing time for everybody gets tight. There has been a lot of talk about trading Young with no takers. If someone wants Williams bad enough the FO could say if you want Williams, then you have to take Young or work out a multi-team deal that includes Young. In that deal Lakers should get back 1 to 3 players that fit the new direction and picks.
Mid Wilshire says
Some commenters on this site often bash Lou Williams or express the view that the Lakers should never have acquired him in the first place. I’m not among them.
As Darius noted, Lou Williams is very much a net positive with a solid PER, decent enough 3-pt. shooting, and an uncanny ability to get to the line (which is an important skill that DAR and Clarkson can learn to incorporate into their games).
The real analogue to Lou Williams is not Leandro Barbosa but Jamal Crawford of the Clippers. When Williams is on his game (bear in mind: he was 6th man of the year only 2 years ago), he can be quite disruptive to the opposition. They have to track him at every point, guard him carefully, and be careful not to get into foul trouble.
With that, I predict that Lou will average perhaps 22-24 minutes per game this year playing alongside Calderon and, occasionally, DAR and Clarkson. He definitely has a role on this team as a Vinnie Johnson / Jamal Crawford instant offense guy off the bench. And he should be able to teach the kids a trick or two. I also expect him to play well with Calderon. That could be an effective combination off the bench. The Lakers’ guard play this coming season should be an improvement over next year. Calderon is an improvement over Huertas, the kids will be older, wiser, and better, and Lou will still be there to do his thing.
J C hoops says
Clay Bertrand 140ChrViolation J C hoops
D-Lo raining 3s.
D-Lo: Remember when I said you ain’t seen nothin yet?
Luke: Yeah. So? Why are you smiling?
D-Lo: Because I know something you don’t know.
Luke: What’s that?
D-Lo: I am not left-handed.
Proceeds to knock down 3s with his right.
Clay Bertrand says
J C hoops Clay Bertrand 140ChrViolation
Huertas: “No more rhymes now I mean it!!!!!!!”
Zubac: “Anybody wan’ a PeaNut?????”
Joe Kerr says
If Lou Williams is as good as some people think (including the person below me), he should be easy to trade. Get it done Jim and Mitch!
140ChrViolation says
Clay Bertrand J C hoops 140ChrViolation
Jeanie: What you do not smell is Idocane Powder. It is odorless, tasteless, and dissolves instantly into liquid and is among the most deadly poisons known to man.
Jim: Hmmm
Clay Bertrand says
140ChrViolation Clay Bertrand J C hoops
LMAO!!!!! Perfect!!!!!! I don’t think I can top the contextual use of that quote!!!! Very well done!!!!!!
_ Robert _ says
Clay Bertrand: “If he’s on the roster opening day which is likely, ” Yes – his trade value goes up during the season because teams will be looking to backfill injuries and plug offensive deficiencies in their lineup. His market now is not so great.
Is it possible that we could start the year with both Young and Williams on the roster?
Clay Bertrand says
_ Robert _ Clay Bertrand
Yeah……It is possible although there is still time before the season starts. Maybe both guys get their value up. Maybe both even fit in some, enjoy playing again and maybe get swept up in the new culture we are hoping for. Who knows?? Clearly Nick’s value is low at this time.
Also FWIW, Lou says he communicates regularly with Russell and Clarkson so I don’t think there is as much of an issue with him and Russell as with Young and Russell.
J C hoops says
rafisher1 wwlofficial black is signed for 6 mi. he will play ahead of zubac. ‘
calderon will play ahead of huertas
new rr says
Mid Wilshire
Couple of points here:
1.The Barbosa/Williams comp is based on the
context of Walton trying to create some GSW-style roster elements with the
Lakers. Barbosa is the closest comp to Williams from the only NBA team that Walton
has ever coached, an experience that has and will influence him.
2.As to the Crawford comp, that just underscores why adding Williams was so
questionable: Crawford plays on a veteran team that is trying win as much as it
can, right now. The Lakers OTOH are, as people have been repeating day after
day, a developing team that is “all about the kids.” Williams is the type of
player—and probably the type of personality—who would fit much better on a veteran
playoff team that needs O off the bench—like the Clippers would be if they didn’t
have Jamal Crawford.
On last year’s team, Williams was redundant
and as I said at the time, appeared to have been signed as part of a “Let’s be
the Dallas Mavericks” plan. Leaving
aside the Magoo/Stealth Tank argument, Williams does not fit very well on a
defensively-challenged team built around a young point guard who needs the ball
and reps, and a Calderon/Williams backcourt would be a defensive coaching challenge for a guy who combined the
skills of Tom Thibodeau and Chuck Daly.
None of this is a slam on Williams; he does what
he does and he is good at it, and the FO can still turn the move into a positive
if they can flip him for a pick or two. But Williams is not and has never been
a good fit on a bottom-feeding, bad defensive team rebuilding around a point guard
(who, incidentally, had a personal conflict of sorts involving Williams).
Clay Bertrand says
new rr Mid Wilshire
FWIW, I don’t think that the Warriors really have a guy like Lou on their roster.
They have Barbosa and Livingston as their main guards off the bench. Livingston being the more traditional PG even at his nice size and Barbosa as an energy smaller guard who isn’t generally tasked with running the offense. There isn’t really a direct roster comparison for Lou is all.
However, I DO think that Crawford is a closer pure comparison to Lou in terms of game and mentality. Both guys came right outta high school and are JUST GUNNERS off the bench at this point. Both are 6th man of the year winners recently as well.
It is being suggested that Lou will fit the Barbosa sort of role in the Warriors-Lite vision of Luke. I think that the reality will be that our guys will be utilized to play to their strengths and since they differ from the strengths of the Warriors players it’ll be a different look altogether.
I’m not discussing Lou’s fit on the team. Just saying I don’t see a good comp on the Warriors for what Lou does. Even Barbosa though the closest perhaps, is a different type of player IMO. Luke will craft the right role for him hopefully.
matt24 says
The problem with playing russell and clarkson exclusively is the had a tendency of being inconsistent last year, lou williams would give you points when the team goes cold, but lou williams needs to shown boundaries by the coaching staff, because he had a tendency to will his way to the basket and jack up impossible shots.
new rr says
Clay Bertrand new rr Mid Wilshire
Like I said: closest analogue. Williams and Barbosa are not NBA twins, but they are both undersized veteran combo guards who have had long NBA careers as instant-offense guys off the bench. Williams, as you suggest, is more of a pure PG than Barbosa is, but the Lakers already have two veteran PGs on the bench, one of whom makes the same amount of money as Williams does and who was was cleverly acquired as an expiring deal along with two second-round draft picks.
And that is really one key point: when you are where the Lakers are, you should making veteran adds like Calderon, not Williams, so the Calderon pickup underlines why the Williams deal was questionable.
So, yeah, Walton seems to be an upbeat, tactical guy who builds players up and thinks about ways to put them into position to succeed, so he will do that with Williams. But I think both Williams and the Lakers will be better off if the FO is able to trade him to a good team for a draft pick.
Alexander_ says
jobeeeeeeem Young is an untradeable contract, period. He won’t be a Laker opening night. Calderon is going to take Lou’s minutes is my guess, Huertas will only play garbage time. Ingram is not ready to start now, he may not this year – you don’t want to shake his confidence. Playing against second units is a better developmental stance.
Renato Afonso says
Every team would like to have a player that’s “offense in a bottle” coming off the bench. Lou certainly fits that mold and is a nice commodity to have. The problem with Lou is not that he doesn’t fit the offense or the youngsters development (do people really think that we can play like GS without having a Steph Curry and Draymond Green?). The problem with Lou is that our starting SG overlaps his skillset. Granted that Clarkson may have improved on defense and a few other ways but is what they provide to the team that much diffferent?
I don’t think it is and I’m greatly concerned with the defensive acumen of the entire backcourt. Let’s wait to see some actual games to see what can be changed (or who can be traded).
Busboys4me says
Lou was not a bad influence on the youngsters at all. Yes, he did not approve of the stunt that DLoading pulled. No one should. But his offense is mandatory for a successful second unit. He is the only player on the team left who can create his own shot with something other than a step-back launch other than Ingram. He will be a vital member of the squad. He is not the distributor that Huertas or Calderon are but he knows how to play. We will need his scoring.
FredP says
Renato Afonso The “offense in a bottle” is a point well taken. On defense, Lou is short and can be abused on pick and rolls. His most potent offense is drawing fouls and being an expert free throw shooter. To be effective, he needs the ball and time to work his defender and draw the foul. Lou does a poor job of attacking the basket and finishing at the rim.
The GS offense depends on ball movement and players making the right cut and read. Cleveland shut it down by reaching out and grabbing someone and knocking players around as they made their cuts. That forced GS into playing more one on one and exposed Curry’s shaky passing. The Lakers can run a motion offense with all the ball handlers they can put out on the floor. The issue with having Lou on the floor is that the ball stops with him and no one else needs to be defended.
Clay Bertrand says
new rr Clay Bertrand Mid Wilshire
“But I think both Williams and the Lakers will be better off if the FO is able to trade him to a good team for a draft pick. ”
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Agreed. I’d even say that trading them for any return that isn’t a bad long term contract would be acceptable to me. 2nd Rounder?? Player on expiring deal?? Although I think that the best way to do that may be to let them play their value up a little. This bit of time could also potentially let teams see what they have this year before deciding who they may want to trade to shake up their squads.
While I think maybe December would be an opportune time to trade them on paper, I have a feeling Mitch might move before then which is fine if an trade option presents itself. It would be less desirable to trade Young for a bad deal or otherwise get rid of him for nothing. We may not have much choice in the matter though.
LT Mitchell says
“In an ideal world, the Lakers would be complementing their current young guards with a lower usage, three point shooting, defensive ace. Because what Clarkson and Russell need most is a player who works off of their strengths while helping to cover for their weaknesses.”
This statement says it all. Getting burned by opposing PG’s every night is not going to help DAR’s confidence. A poor defensive player to begin with, he will also be facing quicker players almost every game. This team is going to need his offense in a big way and a defensive ace to guard the opposing PG’s would allow DAR to focus his energy on offense.
The Lakers are loaded (relatively speaking) at the guard positions, and to a lesser extent, at PF (if you include Deng and Ingram) . If Lou or Calderon can be packaged along with some second rounders, the Lakers should go after a defensive player for their backcourt. If that’s not enough to entice a deal, I would be willing to give up Randal as well for the right player.
LT Mitchell says
By the way, I love the Princess Bride references. I can just imagine Jimbo screaming “Inconceivable!” every time his overconfident predictions and plans don’t pan out.
Dwight is leaving the Lakers? Inconceivable!
DAntoni’s offense is a poor fit for our team of post players?Inconceivable!
Carmelo and Aldridge won’t sign here? Inconceivable!
Whiteside won’t give us a meeting? Inconceivable! Bazemore rejected us? Inconceivable!
Lakers missed the playoffs last year? Inconceivable!
Clay Bertrand says
LT Mitchell
Nice!! LOL…..That’s another goodie!!!!
But I think its pronounced, “InconTHEIVABLE”!!!! Lol………..
Clay Bertrand says
LT Mitchell
I don’t think we should be so quick to part with Randall until we see what he really might become. That guy has supposedly been the hardest worker of all the young guys. He’s been pullin weights and footwork in the morning, and then shooting in the afternoons with coaches. Basically doing 2 a days for weeks now.
He also really has an Alpha personality too so let’s not give up on him too early. He may be the surprise of the year! I’d rather he be great with us then with someone we trade him to. Hopefully he works out.
KevTheBold says
I’m all in for trading Lou asap.
I don’t like his character.
From the dishonest way he draws fouls like Harden – which adds to the Lakers haters bandwagon – to the ridiculous way he pre-judged and sentenced the kid.
As for his contributions on offense; they are actually a detriment in these rebuild years when our core needs the experience in all aspects of lead changes and closing out games, without some thief stealing points from the opposing team.
J C hoops says
Kev I gotta say I always hated the way Harden bates the refs. Tricks them – it’s bad for the game!
Then when L Will did it for us – I said, wow! What a genius.
Such is fandom. Haha
J C hoops says
LT Mitchell This is hilarious- best reference yet.
add Pau not re-signing with us.
Pau took an offer with another team??
Incontheevable!
Anyone who hasn’t seen princess bride – check it out.